Casemiro (Out)

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Getting any fee for him would be a bonus to just getting him off the books.

This Caught Offside report is clearly nonsense, but £30m-£40m should be our aim
 

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Getting any fee for him would be a bonus to just getting him off the books.

This Caught Offside report is clearly nonsense, but £30m-£40m should be our aim
Agreed. I feel like the Saudi's have had their wild season of splurging and we're slightly late to the party. 30-40m would be strong.
 

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God that'd be great, we could get ourselves another Antony with the money.
 

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Surely not!

If that included his wages and signing on fee, it would be somewhat believable.

But nevermind it coming from Caughtoffside, the guy behind the actual article is their Arsenal writer and he has form for just making shit up for them. At least he's got plenty of retwats now though.

The very next thing he wrote was that Bruno was off to Saudi for €150m, so he clearly knows what works in fairness.
 

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If that included his wages and signing on fee, it would be somewhat believable.

But nevermind it coming from Caughtoffside, the guy behind the actual article is their Arsenal writer and he has form for just making shit up for them. At least he's got plenty of retwats now though.

The very next thing he wrote was that Bruno was off to Saudi for €150m, so he clearly knows what works in fairness.
Yeah this. I think we’d almost be happy clearing the wages off the books and not worrying about any kind of fee.

A three year contract on 400k a week is over £60 million by itself.
 

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Yeah this. I think we’d almost be happy clearing the wages off the books and not worrying about any kind of fee.

A three year contract on 400k a week is over £60 million by itself.
I think we'd want whatever his remaining book value is so we weren't still technically paying for a player still at the club. So like £37.5m I think? Which as has been mentioned, is around about what they paid for a finished Fabinho a year ago.
 

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Just had a thought, INEOS specialise in Oil/Chemicals. Saudi Arabia are obviously involved heavily in Oil Production.

Could INEOS then contact the people behind the Saudi League, offer exclusive business deals etc, in exchange for huge bids for United players?

In Casemiro's case, they pay £70m for a player they could likely get for £30m, and the Saudi fund make more than the difference back in business deals outside of football?

Very interesting.
 

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Just had a thought, INEOS specialise in Oil/Chemicals. Saudi Arabia are obviously involved heavily in Oil Production.

Could INEOS then contact the people behind the Saudi League, offer exclusive business deals etc, in exchange for huge bids for United players?

In Casemiro's case, they pay £70m for a player they could likely get for £30m, and the Saudi fund make more than the difference back in business deals outside of football?

Very interesting.
Looking into it.
 

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I think we'd want whatever his remaining book value is so we weren't still technically paying for a player still at the club. So like £37.5m I think? Which as has been mentioned, is around about what they paid for a finished Fabinho a year ago.
I’m not sure that version of Fabinho was anywhere near as finished as this version of Casemiro, or whether they had to pay off as much in wages as they will need to with Casemiro.

It’s also true that neither of those things really matter to Saudi, so we’ll see. In an ideal world getting the transfer fee cleared off the books completely would be incredible, but it would probably be the biggest overpay of the lot if they were offering that.

The reality is that if he plays like he did last season, it would be better to book the fee as a loss and free up £350k a week with him out of the squad, rather than still have the fee on the books and have to keep him in the squad on those wages.
 

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I’m not sure that version of Fabinho was anywhere near as finished as this version of Casemiro, or whether they had to pay off as much in wages as they will need to with Casemiro.

It’s also true that neither of those things really matter to Saudi, so we’ll see. In an ideal world getting the transfer fee cleared off the books completely would be incredible, but it would probably be the biggest overpay of the lot if they were offering that.

The reality is that if he plays like he did last season, it would be better to book the fee as a loss and free up £350k a week with him out of the squad, rather than still have the fee on the books and have to keep him in the squad on those wages.
Honestly, I think he was just as finished. He just didn't have Carragher publicly calling for him to retire, which unfortunately does make a difference to people's perception.

Fair point on the wages although, as you say, they don't really matter to the Saudis. But I suppose it may make him expect an even bigger salary to move on. Even the likes of Al Nasser must have a limit surely?
 

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It's crazy how he went from looking even better than he did in La Liga in the PL first season to absolutely draining to a nothing player.

For me this just proves that the English league is just harder to play especially over time and why clubs and even players from other leagues are more consistent around Europe and European competitions.

PL is a fantastic league and the epitome of league football.
 

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Surely the 90 mil is including salaries/bonusses and all?

We would probably take 30 mil for him.
 

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I don't think I've ever seen a player drop off so drastically from one season to the next. He was outstanding last year
 

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Fabinho went there at 29 but I don't care. Casemiro is a much bigger name, Real Madrid legend and threepeat member, 5 CLs to his name, etc. Easily has at least 3 good years in him in the Saudi League. We need to ask for at least 40m.
I've now seen an article claiming we might get 90-100m so anything less than that and I am claiming Ineos don't know what they are doing. That's the rules.
 

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I don't think I've ever seen a player drop off so drastically from one season to the next. He was outstanding last year
Rooney perhaps? Henry was pretty awful in his final year at Barca. Torres of course but that was mitigating circumstances rather than age.
 

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I don't think I've ever seen a player drop off so drastically from one season to the next. He was outstanding last year
One factor I haven't seen mentioned is that last season was the first time in Casemiro's long career that he's ever had to come back from a 3-month injury layoff. He was out for two months once about 8 years ago, but he's been astoundingly robust aside from that.

He was ill-disciplined at the start of the season, but he was still getting about the pitch and I think was our top scorer at one point. Then he had the injury, came back, and was unbelievably poor at everything. Maybe he never learnt how to be injured?
 

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I think that during the second half of 2022-23 Case took one look at the shit show going on around him and figured he was on a sinking ship and let his mojo go. After taking a few games to settle, he looked top quality for 3-4 months, then he got that red card which IMO made him start questioning the PL and our officials. Maybe he started wondering what he could realistically achieve at United having been so used to a style of play and high standards at Real. His motivation went, hence we've seen only moments of him in the 15 months since.
 

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Rooney perhaps? Henry was pretty awful in his final year at Barca. Torres of course but that was mitigating circumstances rather than age.
Rooney dropped off pretty gradually I'd say. The reason for his drop in output between 11/12 and 12/13 was the arrival of van Persie, which meant he played a different role and no longer took penalties. And he actually had a pretty decent goalscoring season under Moyes.
 

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Fabinho went from world class to totally finished overnight
 

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The form of both Casemiro and Sancho is family easy to grasp if you are not a moron desperate for a 5 minutes soundbite to get yourself trending.

Sancho has always struggled in England, both for club and country. Maybe he is just better suited to the German league.

Casemiro is 30+ and on the decline, it happens to every player and it's not a great mystery that needs dissecting.