It doesnt matter, at least with the catalan process. PSOE and Ciutadanos are well aligned with PP in that matter and that is 70-80 %
Catalonia referendum| Catalonia declares independence from Spain
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
You don´t need to be careful with me. I am quite understandable if you don´t laugh at what is happening
I am from the first kind, Rajoy could do nothing about us, but we were just 20%. Economic ones, were very easy, dont piss them off eliminating the estatute, that I repeat, was aproved by the SPANISH government (estaute that has articles that are in other estatutes and they were not bring to the tribunals and they are fully working).
And the pissed off, don´t fecking do what you did these days
Definetely could do something, I think now is too late
Thank you for taking the time to explain this.
Why did he reject the new constitution in 2006? What was the problem with your new constitution for him?
International observers Praised catalonia about thre referendum right now
How is the various communities PIL?with less (residual) to a lot (Catalonia), nobody wants to be spanish
Madrid is an artificial city that is the capital for the mere fact that is in the middle and a king decide that. Then, they dragged resource from the rest of the country along the centuries. Being spanish is fantastic for them
It absolutely matters when refuting the notion that they have the support of the majority.
Andalucia is a socialist stronghold but merely because PSOE means Andalucia. They are the state there.
Was to much power for catalonia. To much handling our business for their taste and we wanted to be called a nation (just a freaking name), and PP say "no no, bad hombres catalans".
As always, the constitution can be interpreted some days, but when one of the constitutional judges is and exfrancoist one and the rest are put by the PP and PSOE (status quo) you already know the result
Rajoy not gonna be happy!
Iglesias pushing Sanchez to overthrow Rajoy.
Sorry, not english speaker and something is escaping to what is your point
Sorry, i used an italian word. I meant gross domestic product.
Sanchez aligned with rajoy already with the catalan question after what iglesias said. Of course criticizing Rajoy for the police brutallity but defending at the same time thee police action
Typical PSOE being shy.Sanchez aligned with rajoy already with the catalan question after what iglesias said. Of course criticizing Rajoy for the police brutallity but defending at the same time thee police action
Thanks. It is what i already knew. Catalonia is one of the richest communities in Spain.Depends
Percentage
Per capita
International Observers (Ex Foreign afers MP of Slovenia):
- "Had been injured, electronic sabotage and sizing of ballot boxes."
- "The Referendum had been a success"
- "The Referendum was well prepared acording to Spanish law"
- "Spanish police acts were brutal and menacing
- " The results should take in account by the international comunity"
- " police action is againt european treaties"
- "apalled that europe is not speaking up"
Apparently 2 observers were detained 1 hour by the Guardia Civil to scare them
- "Had been injured, electronic sabotage and sizing of ballot boxes."
- "The Referendum had been a success"
- "The Referendum was well prepared acording to Spanish law"
- "Spanish police acts were brutal and menacing
- " The results should take in account by the international comunity"
- " police action is againt european treaties"
- "apalled that europe is not speaking up"
Apparently 2 observers were detained 1 hour by the Guardia Civil to scare them
Lots of demonstrations around Spain in solidarity with catalonia. With them we could be together without a doubt. Unfortunately, they are not a majority
So if Catalonia becomes an independent state, are they going to have their own league ?
wrong forum
The absolute state of this guy.with less (residual) to a lot (Catalonia), nobody wants to be spanish
Madrid is an artificial city that is the capital for the mere fact that is in the middle and a king decide that. Then, they dragged resource from the rest of the country along the centuries. Being spanish is fantastic for them
To top that, we just went through a similar thing with the Ibarretxe plan that was beated in the congress in 2005, so maybe they thought they were in a stronger position to destroy the "estatut", but (and it hurts me saying this about such an inept politician) Zapatero worked the ground better with Ibarretxe looking for an understanding, Rajoy showed his true colors as a bully once he disputed the Estatut and made it only worse once he became the president
About the none sized ballots,
2.250.000 votes 90% Yes.
I don´t like this referendum. Compromised
2.250.000 votes 90% Yes.
I don´t like this referendum. Compromised
Well, PSC was rulling Catalonia and PSOE in Spain. And PP could not allow that. He needed to surpress the socialist vote in Catalonia and he succeded
I didn't expect it
Yup, with all de police democracy around that you enjoy that much and laugh at it, we would never guessed
I don't expect an all-out civil war but the situation could get really, really dangerous presuming Catalonia declare full-on independence now. Nasty times ahead.
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I hope things like this are a joke or not true at all
Edit: Allegedly there's the "universal census" that they had to use once the police started closing schools
exactly, universal census,
Anyway, even if the international observers says that the referendum was ok, my opinion is that the spanish government made it without guarantees
Also, everything indicates that on the 4th, they will declare the independence. First the president, then the vice president
Maybe they want to provoke a reaaction for the international momentum that is aligning in our side, because if not I don´t see it smart.
I am scared, it will be very nasty.
Also, never expected the big balls than the catalan politicians are showing. They will pay darely
Anyway, even if the international observers says that the referendum was ok, my opinion is that the spanish government made it without guarantees
Also, everything indicates that on the 4th, they will declare the independence. First the president, then the vice president
Maybe they want to provoke a reaaction for the international momentum that is aligning in our side, because if not I don´t see it smart.
I am scared, it will be very nasty.
Also, never expected the big balls than the catalan politicians are showing. They will pay darely
in what way?
Just a question from the ignorant, but if the Catalans did declare independence would there be an obvious area for it, with natural and relatively uncontested borders, or would it be messy? I mean apart from Madrid not wanting it at all, that is.
Unchartered waters my friend, but yes, the area should be the current regional one
Detentions, economically speaking, etc... If we don´t become independent they are fecked. They will be acused of treason and sedition
Thanks
We've seen this before: A minority group goes on a mission for independence but the ensuing Govmnt crackdown makes martyrs out of them and it only serves to turn the previously non aligned into supporters of independence.
Time will tell if that happens here.
Time will tell if that happens here.
i guess is the plan
Apparently a guy that suffered a heart attack and when they were applying CPR, the police charged (video). Rumors says he died
What else would it be?
Actually not, we try that asking the,. That was to decide for ourselves