I hope those people who went out understand that shouting "I have rights!" never dissuades an overzealous policemean from giving you a whack around the head.
Catalonia referendum| Catalonia declares independence from Spain
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Why dont they use real bullets? Surely more effective.
Well, they need our taxes to by the sticks and the boots to kick the hell out of us
Thanks god, but i fear it could happen now after what Rajoy did.
What I do not understand is that how they didn´t learnt anything from the last 7 years that they think that they have anything to win with it. Surely not in catalonia, surely not internationally. They will win votes in Spain, no doubt, but if the goal is mantain catalonia inside spain, they are doing the oposite that they should be
Catalans we can be many things, good and bad, but we are well known by our perseverance and stuborness. We have patients and it will go on and on.
There are huge lines for voting peacfully still, People didnt go at home, just moved to another electoral college.
0 chances Mesut. No fear for that
Hope so.
Think there's something a little bit more provocative with what Las Palmas are doing tbf:
http://www.udlaspalmas.es/noticias/noticia/comunicado-oficial-3
No poblem with that, is their opinion. If I would feel provocated, I would have a problem. They don't want catalonia gone and I understand them and is fine to me.
The media coverage about this in Portugal has been practically non existent. It doesn't surprise with TVI since they are owned by a spanish company but in what regards the rest, it seems like we are deliberatly ignoring this. I know we also have local elections but it looks like there are instructions and our media outlets are being pressured or influenced not to cover this.
Completely agree. I've spoken to many Catalans during my time in Spain and I've never had the impression that they overwhelmingly felt oppressed by the central government (although many foreigners seem to think this way on behalf of Catalans). They, the Spanish government, are playing into the hands of Catalonia to make it that way. That said, support in Spain is dwindling, and maybe Rajoy and PP think this is a case of two birds with one stone - they can restore majority support and keep Catalonia appeased in the long run. It's a risky bet.
Which party did catalonians mostly vote for in the general election? Excuse my lack of knowledge here.
Agree with the first point. But if they want to appease us, they are doing it....quite wrong?
And i've had Catalans and Basques doing Erasmus years on my former Uni that said the opposite. They practically didn't get along with other spaniards and there was always alot of tension in social occasions. I had to give ultimatums in some parties not discuss politics or else things would turn sour. It was the hardest things i had to deal with when i worked in student associations.
Blue: PP (right/far-right traditional party)
Red: PSOE (socialist party. In the past left winged. Now center leaning right. Traditional party)
Purple: New left wing party
Green: Basque nationalist party. Center leaning right. Traditional party
Yellow: Catalan nationalist coalition party (left and right). Traditional parties
I know, although I did say "long run" because I think that's what they'll be looking to. Catalonia will show an immediate response to this, which is to be expected, but PP is perhaps banking on garnering enough support to offset that i.e. even if the calls for independence grow stronger, so will the animosity from Spaniards over what they perceive to be Catalan exceptionalism.
Don't get me wrong, I've met my share of Catalans who are absolutely in favour of independence and even hard-line about it. However, there are a wide range of opinions on the matter, not just those.
I went in Erasmus and I was an independentist prick, not to the point to not speak and being sour. But I was a prick. I was young, inmature and basically stupid (still). After that year my best friend was from madrid. I am speaking with him right now (and a group of erasmus from other parts of spain. 5 of my best friends). And I love them more than any lifetime friends.
My problem is not with spanish people, they are awesome, and anyone that has it is stupid. My problem is with the government
7 years mate, and we didnt stop. Long run is not a good tactic with us, but who knows. In my opinion is that it will only go sour, or they crussh us somehow or we eventually will get what we want. A referendum for the independence.
So they voted mostly for Rajoys party? Wow, its like not wanting a referendum but voting for cameron.
Blue: PP (right/far-right traditional party)
Red: PSOE (socialist party. In the past left winged. Now center leaning right. Traditional party)
Purple: New left wing party
Green: Basque nationalist party. Center leaning right. Traditional party
Yellow: Catalan nationalist coalition party (left and right). Traditional parties
Or am i wrong here?
Catalans? No. PP was the fifth or sixth most voted party
Barcelona is asking the suspension of the match. Unlikely to happen
Obviously. I never took sides, although i'm more pro-independence. I just wanted everyone to get along and get drunk.
every region has an election.That´s the map of the national elections. In the catalan parlament there is a coalition of 3 parties (independentists) although the 51% of votes went to the "unionists" parties
another lie
48% went independentist parties. 42% went to unionist and the Coalition comunist + podemos said explicit not to count them nor with the Yes or No
the independence is something serious. In my opinion the differences should be bigger, the opression and your situation within the country. I don´t think that being upset with Rajoy is enough
so we can agree that the organizers of all this represent the 48% of catalans?
Which is maybe what they want. It might seem like a bad idea to stoke such tensions, but it's true enough that divisive politics are effective for maintaining a hold on power. It's certainly provides a greater outlook than how things currently stand if there were to be another election. They give you the impetus and you give it back. Horrible, dirty politics but, again, certainly effective.
Respectable opinion, that's why I want, talk about the reasons independence yes or no. Good on that.
My opinion is that if you want quits, whatever is the reason, you have the right o leave
And being upset with rajoy is not the reason, you are oversimplifying a situation that goes centuries ago and that lately had been fueled by rajoy like it was before Aznar and would be for anyone of that rightwinged party that I remember you are representative of the spanish people
I find this scenario really unlikely, the line is crossed. I really believe that today Spain lost Catalonia definetely
Yes, against the 42% of no and the 10% would be NS/NC so majority.
Anyway that was 2 years ago. This year and specially the last 10 days, I assure you we are more than 50%. And it will continuosly grow.
Are you agree if 1 million -2.5 million 5 years in a row goes to the street should not be ignored?
we will see in the next regional elections.
Might not happen, and if it does, you'll see
Seen some footage of riot police brutality. Throwing around children ffs! Didn't expect that from a Western country.
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From the outside looking in it's very depressing to see so much emotion and so little rationality. Emotionally I can fully understand the urge for independency, but there's an incredible naivity regarding the potentially desastrous economic consequences for both Spain and an independent Catalunya. Apparently a realistic potential outcome isn't as important as a feeling. Hardly a surprise given the times we live in, but still.
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And you think they gonna count that?
. There is huge cues because eveytime that the informatic system stops. This votes will not be counted, they are on the streets and at the sight of everyone, you think we are that stupid?Ambiguous. In catalunya they said go to vote, in the rest discussion but the oficial is that it should be agreed with the spanish government