Deluded Brendan.
Celtic would be top 6 in the Premier League
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They'd do well to get top 10. Just look at how shite they are in Europe for proof of how good the Scottish league actually is.
You can't the Liverpool out of a man it appears. They'd finish in the bottom 5 at best.
Exactly this - he must know deep down how awful the league is. As many have said above, Sinclair's evolution into a goal machine is the perfect example of the ludicrous difference in quality. Also makes me wary of the hype surrounding Dembele.
The shit houses wouldn't finish top 6 in the championship let alone the premier league.
I once had the misfortune of attending a Hibs Motherwell game during the Christmas period I believe it was. I can honestly say mind numbing was not the word.
The slowness and lack of quality was something to behold
50 years ago they would
Why do people think PL money would make them a top team over time?
It didn't help Sunderland, Villa, Newcastle, teams with lots of support.
Celtic isn't as big as British people think, outside of the UK, noone care, or even know much about Celtic, except that they are rivals with Ranger, and are from Scotland.
I saw a Scottish guy on facebook who said "if Celtic played in the PL next year, who would chose a team like Southampton over Celtic? Noone!".
well, he's wrong, pretty much every non British player would pick S'oton.
I noticed Tierney a couple years ago when Deila was their manager, the only player who looked good enough for the PL.
It didn't help Sunderland, Villa, Newcastle, teams with lots of support.
Celtic isn't as big as British people think, outside of the UK, noone care, or even know much about Celtic, except that they are rivals with Ranger, and are from Scotland.
I saw a Scottish guy on facebook who said "if Celtic played in the PL next year, who would chose a team like Southampton over Celtic? Noone!".
well, he's wrong, pretty much every non British player would pick S'oton.
I noticed Tierney a couple years ago when Deila was their manager, the only player who looked good enough for the PL.
They get slightly more than Newcastle do in The Championship. It doesn't guarantee anything. Over a period of time they would have a shot but crowd size doesn't equate to wealth in the Premier League. They would need a sugardaddy to guarantee success.
Likewise because Newcastle do it wrong doesnt mean Celtic would.
Celtic would have a hard time beating any English team at Ibrox anyway.
Trust Showbiz Brendan to go nuts just because he's won something.Brendan Rodgers said:
I've simmed this in FM. Celtic are top six and even challenge in the CL later rounds after a few years. Rangers yo yo between the premier league and championship. The rest of the Scottish PL teams range from Championship to League 2
I'd say they'd be Sunderland/Boro/Hull City level. If Defoe was playing up in Scotland now then he'd be on 50 goals already and would probably have banged one or two in against Barcelona in the CL making his international profile rocket in the process. Januzaj would be a superstar up in Scotland. Denayer, O'Shea, McNair, Lescott, Darron Gibson would all star in league winning teams in Scotland.
But Celtic have a massive fan base so if they were ever in the PL then I don't think it would take them long to break into the top 10 with the investment they'd have access to. But the Brexit thing makes Celtic and Rangers joining the PL even more wildly unlikely than it already ever was
But Celtic have a massive fan base so if they were ever in the PL then I don't think it would take them long to break into the top 10 with the investment they'd have access to. But the Brexit thing makes Celtic and Rangers joining the PL even more wildly unlikely than it already ever was
How does it change anything?
Obviously not true, but it's quite sad that the commercialisation of the big leagues has meant historic huge clubs like Ajax, Celtic, Benfica can no longer compete on the European scene.
Tbh, he said 6th at worst.
What's he going to say? "We'd be shit in England"? He's manager of Celtic, not an EPL cheerleader. He'd say something like this to please Celtic fans, obviously.
Whether Celtic would actually do well if they moved to the EPL isn't really up for debate - of course they would. They're a huge club with as much history and status as any English team. Put this actual squad into the EPL right now however, and they'd struggle around the relegation zone. They'd stay up with their home support as much as anything.
Whether Celtic would actually do well if they moved to the EPL isn't really up for debate - of course they would. They're a huge club with as much history and status as any English team. Put this actual squad into the EPL right now however, and they'd struggle around the relegation zone. They'd stay up with their home support as much as anything.
Celtic apparently have a winning away record against English teams.
I don't think they would go through against any of the top 6 in a 2 legged knock-out tie. Over 10 years they could maybe become a top 8 side.
Celtic were less than convincing in qualifying for this season's Champions League and then finished bottom of a group with Borussia Monchengladbach in it. Don't think anyone would suggest BM are a top 6 prem side.
Last year they we're beaten by Malmo in the playoffs for the CL and then finished bottom of a Europa League group with Molde, Fenerbache and Ajax.
They'd finish at best, 14th or 15th in this league.
Last year they we're beaten by Malmo in the playoffs for the CL and then finished bottom of a Europa League group with Molde, Fenerbache and Ajax.
They'd finish at best, 14th or 15th in this league.
Why Rangers? They are terrible...
They'd be in danger of being relegated, a bad run of results would knock their confidence and their Championship standard players would start to struggle.
I see only a hand full of players capable of cutting in the Premier league, the likes of Griffiths aren't cut out for top flight English football.
One thing is certain though, the financial gains of English football would see them pushing for titles within five years. I'd imagine they'd get a top draw manager and top draw players wanting to play for them.
I see only a hand full of players capable of cutting in the Premier league, the likes of Griffiths aren't cut out for top flight English football.
One thing is certain though, the financial gains of English football would see them pushing for titles within five years. I'd imagine they'd get a top draw manager and top draw players wanting to play for them.
How do you come to this conclusion? Every team currently in the Premier League shares the same financial gains and still only 4/5 teams realistically can challenge for the title. No way in 5 years can they go from championship standard squad to title winning squad like those who have had 5/10 years in building.
They would do okay, I think people are very harsh on them even though they do play in a very uncompetitive lead. After a few years, with the increased revenue, they may make a push, akin to Everton, but I could never imagine them ever getting right amongst the top.
I'm sure I may offend some Scotsmen, but realistically, what top player in their prime, particularly European or South American, is going to want to live in and around the Glasgow area.
Even the Manchester clubs struggle with getting the top players and can only just about manage it due to the ridiculous wages they can offer (which Celtic would never be able to match). The weather/climate is just a massive turn off for those kind of players.
I'm sure I may offend some Scotsmen, but realistically, what top player in their prime, particularly European or South American, is going to want to live in and around the Glasgow area.
Even the Manchester clubs struggle with getting the top players and can only just about manage it due to the ridiculous wages they can offer (which Celtic would never be able to match). The weather/climate is just a massive turn off for those kind of players.
One thing I don't really get that I've seen a fair bit of in the thread is the idea that Celtic and/or Rangers would be competing for the PL title after a few years because of the fans/revenues etc. I'm not so sure it's as simple as that.
They're massive clubs with a massive appeal, obviously...but then so are Newcastle, sort of. And Villa. and Forest. The latter two have European Cups, and there are an array of big city teams in England, many of whom have very, very respectable pasts who find themselves in lower tiers. Celtic and Rangers are bigger than most of them, and probably be a decent distance too, but then the primary reason for that is because they've been successful...which they'd struggle to be in England.
Both clubs have massive fanbases but a big part of that support comes from the fact they win a lot. Even when Rangers were lingering in the lower leagues they were still winning most of the time. And Celtic fans may think that winning every week against fodder opposition is boring...but then I suspect they'd still vastly prefer that to mid-table mediocrity in the PL, if they even managed that. The lure of regularly welcoming United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal etc would be massive at first, but I reckon you'd soon see fans become jaded once they start to go on extended runs without winnings, or adopt a pragmatic, defensive style under Tony Pulis that sees them finish in 11th place with regular 0-0 draws. Fans would grow disillusioned and would likely be calling for the days again when finishing with 75 points was considered disastrous, as opposed to a fantastic achievement.
They're massive clubs with a massive appeal, obviously...but then so are Newcastle, sort of. And Villa. and Forest. The latter two have European Cups, and there are an array of big city teams in England, many of whom have very, very respectable pasts who find themselves in lower tiers. Celtic and Rangers are bigger than most of them, and probably be a decent distance too, but then the primary reason for that is because they've been successful...which they'd struggle to be in England.
Both clubs have massive fanbases but a big part of that support comes from the fact they win a lot. Even when Rangers were lingering in the lower leagues they were still winning most of the time. And Celtic fans may think that winning every week against fodder opposition is boring...but then I suspect they'd still vastly prefer that to mid-table mediocrity in the PL, if they even managed that. The lure of regularly welcoming United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal etc would be massive at first, but I reckon you'd soon see fans become jaded once they start to go on extended runs without winnings, or adopt a pragmatic, defensive style under Tony Pulis that sees them finish in 11th place with regular 0-0 draws. Fans would grow disillusioned and would likely be calling for the days again when finishing with 75 points was considered disastrous, as opposed to a fantastic achievement.
The draw of that football club would be huge, this wouldn't be West Ham trying to drag in players, Celtic would become a football super power.
Okay, maybe five years is a bit optimistic, but they'd certainly be up there within ten years.
Larsson kind of did it to be fair. I'd say it'd be fair to consider him as someone who was sort of a top player in that he was a genuinely brilliant striker in his prime both in goalscoring and all-round play, and while he eventually did go to Barca, he was at Celtic from his mid-20s through to his early 30s, spending his prime years there. But then I'd say the SPL has probably declined a fair bit since even those years just over a decade or so ago. Before that obviously Rangers had the likes of Gascoigne and Laudrup, and managed to get some decent players in the early 2000s...even if most of them were obtained through questionable means.
But yeah, sadly stumbling out of Firewater at 1am and not getting into Garage as Stevie from Shettleston throws his soggy Blue Lagoon fish and chips at you has never quite been as enticing as Milan or Barcelona. The way of things, I suppose.
Nah. Good of him to be proud of his lads and talk them up, but that's a major stretch. It'd be great to see them in the Premier League for the trips to Parkhead and Celtic fans being excellent on the road, though.
Forest may have won two European cups but they aren't really a big football club, what they achieved is actually one of the greatest football achievements of all time. In fact I'd say it's bigger than Leicester winning the league, you've got to remember they won the European cup back to back, and won the league the season after being promoted to the top flight.
They've also spent more time outside the top flight of English football than they've actually spent in it.
They would be in a relegation battle and most likely go down. Current players in the prem battle that would tear Scotland apart- defoe, zaha, benteke, gylfi, llorente, negredo, snodgrass. Many others but I just wanted to put these because there should be no controversy about any of them. Celtic aren't a good side at all and his comments are laughable,
Oh I totally agree, especially on Larsson, gutted we only got him on loan at the end of his career.
It's just the EPL struggles to attract the top players without the silly money, and the likes of Spain are always going to be number one destination regardless because it can offer the money, the culture and the weather (the last two of importance to GF/wives/family as well as the player).
I'm sure London is always first choice on the mind of any overseas player as it comes the closest to balancing all these criteria relatively well.
The UK desperately needs to reform its grassroots so it can start churning out top drawer players who feel an affinity for their local towns and clubs. Unfortunately that doesn't look to be on the horizon any time soon.
Imagine Celtic having the next generation of Lisbon Lions.
They'd very likely get relegated. Which is saying something considering they're actually a lot better right now than they have been in recent seasons. When they had Efe Ambrose at the heart of defence they'd have been closer to the bottom of the Championship than they would have the top six of the Premier League.
Even Liverpool, Arsenal, and Spurs struggle to attract world class players, and none would be subscribed as a "super power". To suggest Celtic would be a major force, and a massive draw for footballers, just by being in the premier league, is some pretty crazy nonsense. They'd establish themselves as a mid table team at best.
The myth that Celtic have a massive global fan base is just that. Their Facebook page has 1.6m likes whilst United's has 76m.
Player for player comparisons are irrelevant. Look at Leicester's squad last season. On paper it was trash and they won the damn thing.
Rodgers is a decent manager who finished 11th in the Premier League with a newly promoted Swansea side whose squad was hardly leagues better than Celtic's. I'd certainly take Dembélé over Danny Graham.
Top 6 is unlikely but not impossible. I wouldn't be surprised with a midtable finish at all though. Good manager, well drilled unit, big stadium and great home crowds. There's no reason why they shouldn't be competing with West Brom, Bournemouth and Stoke.
Rodgers is a decent manager who finished 11th in the Premier League with a newly promoted Swansea side whose squad was hardly leagues better than Celtic's. I'd certainly take Dembélé over Danny Graham.
Top 6 is unlikely but not impossible. I wouldn't be surprised with a midtable finish at all though. Good manager, well drilled unit, big stadium and great home crowds. There's no reason why they shouldn't be competing with West Brom, Bournemouth and Stoke.