Mrs Smoker
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Good. BlueCafe should be relieved.
They will be paying a lot more than that I can assure youOK about a lesser punishment for City, but the difference in punishment is massive! Chelsea's season has been hugely effected. Not only this season, but probably no CL football next season too. Meanwhile, City get fined a bag of peanuts. For all its great football your club (NOT IT'S FANS) stinks to high heaven and is as bent as a 9 pound note.
Expect better from you mate.Horrible, we should have got the ban if guilty tbh... the whole "we didn't ban them because they pled guilty" is stupid.
I think we didn't get a ban for this as we'll get a transfer ban for screwing FFP and avoid being thrown out of UCL. Either way its double standards, Chelsea should be furious. Accepting guilt should not lessen the punishment.
You didn't know that homosexuality was illegal in the UAE until you read the emails?And a quick read through the many leaked e-mails demonstrate that it's absolutely true. Don't try and label me Xenophobic or Racist for daring to criticise your owners and spelling out the incredibly dark truth.
You do realise that under the totalitarian control of your owners, homosexuality punishments in Abu Dhabi range from "jail time, floggings, beatings, death, torture, fines, vigilante execution, and deportation. Adultery and fornication are also crimes punished with death, and a person convicted of homosexuality may also face charges of adultery if they have an opposite-sex spouse while having sexual relations with a person of the same sex"? (copied from Wikipedia)
Keep your hands over your eyes and ears as long as you want.
I can just picture the City squad and board sitting around crying into the premier league trophy because you don't recognise it.Manchester City is the most disgusting organisation in world football.
They really are a cancer and I personally don't recognise any of their so-called achievements as they've broken rule after rule whilst using the dirtiest money from the most vile source possible.
I'd take playing in League 2 with the Glazier's putting all of our income into their Christmas Party Pot ahead of swapping situations with them.
It will all end in tears, as when there is an inevitable political/ physical war between that part of the Middle East when they stop becoming useful to the west, you can bet your life City will be used as political pawns that will be drained of life as a retaliation.
It'll be nothing more than they deserved for selling their soul to the devil. Wonder how many of City's supporters realise that if their owners could click their fingers tomorrow and create their ideal world, none of them would be in it? In fact, they'd all either be enslaved or actively terminated, depending on sex, religion, ethnicity and or sexual orientation.
What's wrong with honesty?Expect better from you mate.
Their punishment was even more of a joke as they just signed pre-contract agreement with every player so they could join in January. At least Chelsea got a punishment that affected them, which is the whole point of a punishment.You answered your own question in your second sentence.
On the second paragraph, off the top of my head Atletico Madrid and Barcelona have both received transfer bans for the signing of youth players.
It is true though, while what we did is far less than Chelsea, the punishment doesn't at all fit the crime. I'm just calling it as I see it. Maybe we didn't deserve what Chelsea got but lets be honest 300k for breaking the rules is a joke. As I said I think Fifa came down soft because Uefa are going to go with a 1 window ban or something for the FFP, so it suits all parties and we don't take them to court.Expect better from you mate.
Yes but it's important to add context here, surely?Horrible, we should have got the ban if guilty tbh... the whole "we didn't ban them because they pled guilty" is stupid.
I think we didn't get a ban for this as we'll get a transfer ban for screwing FFP and avoid being thrown out of UCL. Either way its double standards, Chelsea should be furious. Accepting guilt should not lessen the punishment.
Yup, I'm not saying we should be smashed with the same ban as them, I'm saying we shouldn't have been fined 300k. 1 window or something would have been acceptable. More that I think all our punishments are already sorted and Fifa know Uefa are going to cut a registration deal for the CL or something.Yes but it's important to add context here, surely?
Violations of Article 19:
Atletico Madrid - 103
Real Madrid - 12
Barcelona - 21
Chelsea - 29
City - 2
I already have earlier in the thread. It was your quoted piece about the offences being similar that I found misleading.What's wrong with honesty?
Go ahead and explain why you believe Chelsea deserved their ban and City did not.
What's FIFA's excuse to not ban them seeing that Chelsea has already been slammed with a ban for the same offense that both clubs committed in the same year? I'm not getting this.
You've already said 20 mins ago that you don't understand or know the details. But you've decided City fans are disgusting anyway? Nice one.The most disgusting part of all this is city fans trying to justify this aberration. Yuck...
Should be 103 transfer windows ban for Atletico, 12 for Real, and so on and on. 50 years for Atletico.Yes but it's important to add context here, surely?
Violations of Article 19:
Atletico Madrid - 103
Real Madrid - 12
Barcelona - 21
Chelsea - 29
City - 2
Only found guilty of 2, how many were being investigated? Not that I’m doubting the efforts FIFA put into investigating thisYes but it's important to add context here, surely?
Violations of Article 19:
Atletico Madrid - 103
Real Madrid - 12
Barcelona - 21
Chelsea - 29
City - 2
We'll see but I can't see UEFA and FIFA structuring punishment so that they dovetail. To the best of my knowledge they are pretty fierce rivals.It is true though, while what we did is far less than Chelsea, the punishment doesn't at all fit the crime. I'm just calling it as I see it. Maybe we didn't deserve what Chelsea got but lets be honest 300k for breaking the rules is a joke. As I said I think Fifa came down soft because Uefa are going to go with a 1 window ban or something for the FFP, so it suits all parties and we don't take them to court.
Reports say we were investigated on 9 cases, and found guilty of 2. For comparison, Chelsea were investigated for 92 cases, and found guilty of 29 according to Rob Harris.Only found guilty of 2, how many were being investigated? Not that I’m doubting the efforts FIFA put into investigating this
This is why I dont want saudi owners, as bad as the glazers have beenBut yes, 29 murders is more/worse than 2.
This is why I dont want saudi owners, as bad as the glazers have been
Yes but it's important to add context here, surely?
Violations of Article 19:
Atletico Madrid - 103
Real Madrid - 12
Barcelona - 21
Chelsea - 29
City - 2
I'm not going to start an argument with you but then I'd like you to get your facts right. I never said you guys are disgusting but that the act of justifying wrongdoing is disgusting. I'm also not having that unverifiable stat you put up there.You've already said 20 mins ago that you don't understand or know the details. But you've decided City fans are disgusting anyway? Nice one.
They are but when it suits all parties they'll work together. Fifa get to keep our owners on side, Uefa get their fake pound of flesh. I mean Fifa could have banned us from the January window (1 window, half Chelseas punishment), It would effect us feck all as we wouldn't be shopping then anyway but people would probably feel the decision was stronger and Fifa took some other action than lining their pockets for a change.We'll see but I can't see UEFA and FIFA structuring punishment so that they dovetail. To the best of my knowledge they are pretty fierce rivals.
I don't think anyone in this thread is justifying wrongdoing. I'll speak for myself only, but I've been trying to explain why City's punishment is less than Chelsea's punishment.I'm not going to start an argument with you but then I'd like you to get your facts right. I never said you guys are disgusting but that the act of justifying wrongdoing is disgusting. I'm also not having that unverifiable stat you put up there.
Favouritism, 30% proven against a poor russian billionaire and less than 25% against the richReports say we were investigated on 9 cases, and found guilty of 2. For comparison, Chelsea were investigated for 92 cases, and found guilty of 29 according to Rob Harris.
I'm fairly certain the Abu Dhabi United Group for Development and Investement has never killed anyone.Yeah because your owners have never killed anybody.
The offences aren't similar, they're identical. You're missing the point in any case.I already have earlier in the thread. It was your quoted piece about the offences being similar that I found misleading.
And a quick read through the many leaked e-mails demonstrate that it's absolutely true. Don't try and label me Xenophobic or Racist for daring to criticise your owners and spelling out the incredibly dark truth.
You do realise that under the totalitarian control of your owners, homosexuality punishments in Abu Dhabi range from "jail time, floggings, beatings, death, torture, fines, vigilante execution, and deportation. Adultery and fornication are also crimes punished with death, and a person convicted of homosexuality may also face charges of adultery if they have an opposite-sex spouse while having sexual relations with a person of the same sex"? (copied from Wikipedia)
Keep your hands over your eyes and ears as long as you want.
Factually, it is not the first time City have breached rules regarding youth players. Irrespective of the enforcing body. Seems there is a clear disregard for any rules of the game whether enforced by the premier league, FIFA or UEFA.Yes, that's a Premier League investigation/punishment for breaching Premier League rules. The fine today was a FIFA investigation/punishment for breaching FIFA rules.
City (like many clubs) have obviously pushed the boundaries on youth players and breached the rules. But let's at least try to discuss objectively/factually.
Have you looked into your owners killing record?We signed two under 18 players, that's hardly the same as killing someone...
I never thought I'd ever have to type that out.
Have you. You have a personal count on people killed by Mansour? Or even proof of any?Have you looked into your owners killing record?
Correct, the point was that it has been suggested that a factor in City's lighter punishment was that it was a first breach of FIFA rules, and therefore a first punishment meted out by FIFA.Factually, it is not the first time City have breached rules regarding youth players. Irrespective of the enforcing body. Seems there is a clear disregard for any rules of the game whether enforced by the premier league, FIFA or UEFA.
Factual enough for you?
This is basically playing out as a witch hunt. City broke a rule and even though it's not on par with, or as numerous as Chelsea's recent transgressions, we're supposed to be punished as much as they have been. 'Oh City broke a rule, let's work backwards from the opinion we've all already formed in which they are the bad guys and must be stopped'. Maybe we made a mistake with these two under-18 signings, like we admitted we did, and got fined for it.Have you. You have a personal count on people killed by Mansour? Or even proof of any?
Careful you don't get accused of xenophobia.Have you looked into your owners killing record?
The point of being punished for breaking the rules is not only to deter you from repeating that offence but to deter others from committing the same offence. Giving City a slap on the wrist as it was only their first offence simply encourages other clubs to break the same rule, confident of receiving similarly light punishment.Correct, the point was that it has been suggested that a factor in City's lighter punishment was that it was a first breach of FIFA rules, and therefore a first punishment meted out by FIFA.
Whether a different governing body has punished City for breaching different rules related to youth players is obviously completely irrelevant to the punishment that FIFA imposed in this case.
If we break rules we should be punished, I don't think anyone is denying that. But there's so much confusion and conflation in this thread about the details of this case.