Club Sale | It’s done!

[red thru&thru]

That's all good from the Glazers' perspective, that's why they've been trying to get a deal like this this for a couple of years, but the biggest question is who, having seen the shitshow they have presided over since Fergie left, would be stupid enough to trust them with a few billions and leave them in control?

Isn't it cheaper to just buy Everton for a fee hundred million, financially dope it and displace a poorly run United from the top four equation like the Saudis have done with Newcastle? With Liverpool also seeking partial investors or a full sale at half the price, better run and still relevant in the hunt for big trophies aren't they a better bet for a minority stake?

I agree with you that a sale is the least preferred option for the two rats in charge and I think there reason why there is no news at all is because no one is seriously contemplating buying the club at its current valuation but I think the odds for a full sale are higher than a partial sale for the reasons stated above.

Agreed.

And let's look at it, the Glazers aren't getting any younger. They don't appear to have children who want to take on the mantle of the club, like Josh Kroenke at Arsenal. The next iteration of the Super League will be some way down the line, to help increase the value of the club.

Not all the Glazer siblings actually want to hold onto the club. So, do they really need the extra headache of running the club, when they could all be walking away with a billion each?

But yeah, as you mentioned, they have tried for a partial sale/investment in the club before, and had no success. Any new investors will see the club is on it's knees more than ever before. The Glazers don't hold the aces here.

The involvement of The Raine Group is what gives me the biggest hope of there being a sale.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Why would an investor have to work under the Glazers and not alongside them, though? They could easily make decisions together. Even more if it's the Qatari. They own many businesses and it would be unwise by the Glazers to get on their bad side. Besides, the parasites have never ruled with some clear-cut long term vision that would suggest intolerance to anything that would deviate from that. So the chances for conflict between them and the other party is low. Long as it makes money, they don't give a feck. Thus, a partial sale is very, very likely.

It's not very very likely at all. It's extremely unlikely, and practically impossible.

Okay so Mr Glazer in America asks you to work alongside him. You're a smart billionaire businessman, so you know he is only in it for profits and not the love of the game. He says you will need to pay for the entire stadium redevelopment, the entire training ground redevelopment, pay billions for part of his shares and he won't help financially at all and in fact after you've invested billions of pounds into the club and made it a success, he'll reward that success by taking money out of it. Money YOU have made it, not him.

This is who you're working with?

You could pay 20% of that money and buy another premier league club, have full control and turn them into a CL team within 2 seasons

How you think a part-sale is "very, very likely" is astonishing to me

 

[NYAS]

You think they wouldn't replicate that collection if they bought United?

I think it’s less likely as we’re already a massive club with great players, as opposed to having to pull a club into the global spotlight with star signings as they did with PSG.

 

[Infra-red]

Getting a part ownership of United wouldn't be the same as any other club. Not even just the sheer price of the club. But every savvy businessman and even the Glazers know capital investment is needed for United to maintain its value over the next decade as it's falling behind all other top clubs drastically.

Therefore anybody willing to part-own the club:

A) Will have to fund the entirety of the capital investment (North of £1bn)
B) Pay the Glazers for a % of their shares (say 25% - could still be a further £1bn-£2bn) - the Glazers would not use this money or any other of their own money on the club and investors know this
C) Have to work under the Glazers, who every businessman knows won't invest into the club, do not care about the clubs success and are atrocious football club owners
D) Have absolutely no say in the running of the club after paying Billions to fund everything with no help of the Glazers

On the flip side, for 25% of Spurs, they wouldn't need to pay any capital investment, they'd be working with an owner who will be willing to help towards cost (true of any owners in top flight European football except Man Utd) and would likely have more say in the running of the club. All for a fraction of the price.

Even if some investor(s) had the idea to get 25% of the club now with a view to raising enough capital to take the club over a couple of years down the line, they'd know the Glazers will be a hard sell. Especially if another super league comes up where the Glazers can line their own pockets more. In short, no investor with billions to spare is going to be stupid enough to put any trust in the Glazers with their money. Why would they?

The Glazers getting an investor is an absolute non-starter. Whether it's Qatar, Dubai, Americand, Ratcliffe.. It'll be a full sale. No question about that

Some of this would be true if the Glazer siblings are cashing out in a partial sale, but I would assume that equity financing for a new/refurbished Old Trafford and Carrington, is more likely. In that scenario, the Glazers would be diluting their stock, rather than selling it and all proceeds from the sale would go to the club (to fund the infrastructure projects) not to the Glazers. The Glazer siblings know that their class B shares automatically convert to class A shares at the point of sale, so the only way for them to fully realise the value of their stock would be with a full sale a few years down the road (either to the new investor or some other third party).

 

[phelans shorts]

Im absolutely convinced that there will be investment rather than a full sale. The Glazers dont want to let go of it. As more and more clubs get bought by these super rich owners and the gap between those few and the rest gets bigger and bigger, the Super League HAS to happen. And then its payday for them everyday.

Joel and Avram were two of the biggest players in that original super league so they must have an idea of figures - potential profits etc and they've spread these to potential investors like your Qatari's, Dubai's etc to say "look, you give us $2bn to get all of our shit together for xyz percentage of the company, in a few years time we will all be banqueting at the richest table of all with PSG, Real Madrid, City, Newcastle".

Yes. The Super League is matter of when, not if. The Glazers know this to be true, but the club's financials are fecked, so they need to do something. I'm certain a full sale is their absolute last resort and they will do anything they can to stay in some capacity. I wouldn't hold my breath for a full sale, despite what has been reported to be the aim of the Raine Group. These people are good at their craft. What they say and what they do are not one and the same.

This is all seemingly based on the Super League, which is dead. Well and truly beyond resuscitation. Now you could argue the upcoming Champions League changes is that new super league but it’s still a stretch, it’s not the closed shop that was the key part of the super league and revenue driving.

The Glazers have seen their golden goose shot in the head, now they’re running and trying to recoup as much money as they can. Nobody with half a brain would prop them up and allow them to retain control.

 

[Steve Bruce]

I was referring to the Unionists (DUP) in Northern Ireland, who have famously been in a war with reality for decades.



If we're talking the DUP then yes you are correct, but to be fair simply calling them racists really does a disservice to the extents of their prejudices. They hate everyone.

Seriously bias one sided crap. Yes there's dinosaurs but there's good people their to.

To tar a whole party/community with the one brush is just wrong and offensive.

It's like saying all republicans/nationalists are supporters of murder because the majority vote for Sinn Fein who are closely tied to the PIRA.

Surely we can keep political crap off a football topic?

 

[Messier1994]

Who got a subscirption for Le Parisien?
https://www.leparisien.fr/sports/in...ial-09-01-2023-43ONL24S2RDJ5ERFM2AFPUXSXA.php

Translation of an article refering the the Le Parisien piece:
If the information may have gone unnoticed in England, the arrival of Jean-Claude Blanc within the firm Ineos is not trivial. The man who has shaped the PSG Qatar version for more than 10 years, but also former general manager of Juventus, will oversee the investments in the sport of the British firm. As it struggles to get OGC Nice, which it owns with Swiss club Lausanne Sport, off the ground, the company owned by British businessman Jim Ratcliffe could shift up a gear in the coming months, according to reports. information from the Parisian .

 

[Giggsy13]

Going from Glazers to a Saudi or Qatari regime ownership is crazy for me.

Yes the Glazers arent the best owners, but we use a lot of money. Have they invested in stadium and other facilities they could be considered good owners. And at least they support the Democratic party

I could care less who the glazers support. Football has changed for the worst and the gulf states are looking for assets to dump their money. Sadly the only way to compete on all fronts is with billionaire money and being a play thing for a not so likeable characters or state. United will be sold to someone or some state that we all dislike. It’s the sad reality of where football is at.

 

[oneway]

I could care less who the glazers support. Football has changed for the worst and the gulf states are looking for assets to dump their money. Sadly the only way to compete on all fronts is with billionaire money and being a play thing for a not so likeable characters or state. United will be sold to someone or some state that we all dislike. It’s the sad reality of where football is at.

It will be alright once people will just get used to ME ownership for those who don`t I'm sure they will keep an eye on the results.

 

[Ramshock]

Going from Glazers to a Saudi or Qatari regime ownership is crazy for me.

Yes the Glazers arent the best owners, but we use a lot of money. Have they invested in stadium and other facilities they could be considered good owners. And at least they support the Democratic party

They dont support the fecking democratic party!

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Don't start the moral bs again. There is other thread for that.

 

[Plant0x84]

They are not coached by ETH.

A very good point. So pleased we didn’t hire Poch.

 

[FujiVice]

Don't start the moral bs again. There is other thread for that.

"The moral bs." Jesus wept.

 

[Messier1994]

It doesn't say that much, key parts:

A strategy comparable to that of Red Bull

An impressive empire, built in just over five years for this British company specializing in petrochemicals. Whose strategy is reminiscent of that of the energy drink manufacturer Red Bull. “It is partly comparable, but it also evokes the investments of Areva (French company specialized in nuclear power) in sailing or athletics, a few years ago, analyzes the president of the Union sport and cycle, Virgil Caillet. […]. »

[…]
But the Ineos group is struggling in places. An audit had been launched in 2022 at OGC Nice, a time supervised by Jim Ratcliffe's brother, Bob, but it failed to reach the expected milestone. Lausanne experienced its second relegation since the arrival of the British shareholder in 2017. “They were ready to invest, but not stupidly, believes the one who sold them the Swiss club, Alain Joseph. Now they have quickly made important transfers which have destabilized a healthy locker room. Maybe they needed someone with a football background to run the shop. »

“Jean-Claude Blanc (who joined Ineos in February) must allow them to structure their various investments, judge Virgile Caillet. They spent time on sponsorship and image purchases, sport can bring them money if it is well organised. The manager will become the superior of Dave Brailsford, a manager from cycling who has until now overseen the sports sector of Ineos.

With the undisguised ambition to go further. Last year, Jim Ratcliffe unsuccessfully tried to buy Chelsea for almost 5 billion euros. And this Manchester United supporter has already declared his interest in the Red Devils. A purchase in the Premier League to expand the Ineos empire? Jim Ratcliffe does not seem to want to wait for it. […]

 

[vanderpants]

Although you may not know who they are, do you have any information as to where they maybe from?

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[Messier1994]

Unfortunately until they arrive we won't know, we just got told to keep out of a certain building, which will be fairly hard as our room and changing facilities are basically joined onto the Jimmy Murphy center

Thanks, keep us updated!

 

[Gasolin]

It doesn't say that much, key parts below. First one thing, the last sentence — “Jim Ratcliffe ne semble attendre que ça” — as I understand it reads like “JR does not want to wait for it [building a sport empire]”, but it could be read as “JR doesn’t expect it to happen”. Anyone better in French than me could perhaps verify the meaning of this sentence?

A strategy comparable to that of Red Bull

An impressive empire, built in just over five years for this British company specializing in petrochemicals. Whose strategy is reminiscent of that of the energy drink manufacturer Red Bull. “It is partly comparable, but it also evokes the investments of Areva (French company specialized in nuclear power) in sailing or athletics, a few years ago, analyzes the president of the Union sport and cycle, Virgil Caillet. […]. »

[…]

But the Ineos group is struggling in places. An audit had been launched in 2022 at OGC Nice, a time supervised by Jim Ratcliffe's brother, Bob, but it failed to reach the expected milestone. Lausanne experienced its second relegation since the arrival of the British shareholder in 2017. “They were ready to invest, but not stupidly, believes the one who sold them the Swiss club, Alain Joseph. Now they have quickly made important transfers which have destabilized a healthy locker room. Maybe they needed someone with a football background to run the shop. »

“Jean-Claude Blanc (who joined Ineos in February) must allow them to structure their various investments, judge Virgile Caillet. They spent time on sponsorship and image purchases, sport can bring them money if it is well organised. The manager will become the superior of Dave Brailsford, a manager from cycling who has until now overseen the sports sector of Ineos.

With the undisguised ambition to go further. Last year, Jim Ratcliffe unsuccessfully tried to buy Chelsea for almost 5 billion euros. And this Manchester United supporter has already declared his interest in the Red Devils. A purchase in the Premier League to expand the Ineos empire? Jim Ratcliffe does not seem to want to wait for it. […]

Your first translation is correct for me, it means he's burning and he can't wait to see it happen.

 

[Messier1994]

Your first translation is correct for me, it means he's burning and he can't wait to see it happen.

Thanks!

 

[Rightnr]

Unfortunately until they arrive we won't know, we just got told to keep out of a certain building, which will be fairly hard as our room and changing facilities are basically joined onto the Jimmy Murphy center

Is this a serious post? Are you supposed to be some sort of ITK?

Not attacking you, just trying to see if I need to include a bookmark in my Muppet diary.

 

[Lee565]

Qatar looking to 'invest' in a PL club.

Fear we're heading for a nightmare scenario where we become the puppet of an oil state and the parasites stay in charge.

Really do not want this for our club to just be a monolopy and propaganda tool amongst other footballing clubs owned under the same umbrella of a sports washing regime.

I would like to think this is killing football but too many fans now are soulless glory hunters that celebrate their club being used as an arabs sports washing tool

 

[Messier1994]

Is this a serious post? Are you supposed to be some sort of ITK?

Not attacking you, just trying to see if I need to include a bookmark in my Muppet diary.

He says he works at Carrington but not with Football, so I am fairly certain that he must be Phil Jones or perhaps Harry Maguire.

(seems legit)

 

[LawCharltonBest]

I'd be quite surprised if Ratcliffe/Ineos wasn't one of the bidders

I also don't understand why people on here think it would be a bad thing. He already said in a statement when bidding for Chelsea that he didn't want to own a PL team for profits and that they get their profits through other companies/methods and that they just wanted to own a top football team.

He is also a genuine football fan who'll be aware of what the fans want, and care about what the fans want, which is a far cry from what we have. He's also rich enough to sort the capital investment while allowing United to spend their own money (which alone will compete with the oil clubs)

 

[stevoc]

Seriously bias one sided crap. Yes there's dinosaurs but there's good people their to.

To tar a whole party/community with the one brush is just wrong and offensive.

It's like saying all republicans/nationalists are supporters of murder because the majority vote for Sinn Fein who are closely tied to the PIRA.

Surely we can keep political crap off a football topic?

Two points mate.

1, Obviously (or so I thought) the several posts in that exchange weren't entirely serious.

2, But just in case someone didn't pick up on the tone. I specifically mentioned the DUP not once but twice. Just to make sure everyone knew I was taking the piss out of them. And no one would think I was talking about Unionists in general and get offended and then reply with an angry post about how offended they are.

Oh well...

 

[Andersonson]

They dont support the fecking democratic party!

proof?

 

[red thru&thru]

Unfortunately until they arrive we won't know, we just got told to keep out of a certain building, which will be fairly hard as our room and changing facilities are basically joined onto the Jimmy Murphy center

Thanks for the reply. Keep us updated on any information you get.

 

[red thru&thru]

Is this a serious post? Are you supposed to be some sort of ITK?

Not attacking you, just trying to see if I need to include a bookmark in my Muppet diary.

They says they work at Carrington. So, I'll take them at face value.

 

[red thru&thru]

It's not very very likely at all. It's extremely unlikely, and practically impossible.

Okay so Mr Glazer in America asks you to work alongside him. You're a smart billionaire businessman, so you know he is only in it for profits and not the love of the game. He says you will need to pay for the entire stadium redevelopment, the entire training ground redevelopment, pay billions for part of his shares and he won't help financially at all and in fact after you've invested billions of pounds into the club and made it a success, he'll reward that success by taking money out of it. Money YOU have made it, not him.

This is who you're working with?

You could pay 20% of that money and buy another premier league club, have full control and turn them into a CL team within 2 seasons

How you think a part-sale is "very, very likely" is astonishing to me

This is my thinking, too.

Some people (the one's who said a partial sale would happen) weren't happy with me when I asked how that would actually work?

You've broken down why a partial sale would be unlikely, but I'm yet to see the opposite.

 

[Ramshock]

Seriously bias one sided crap. Yes there's dinosaurs but there's good people their to.

To tar a whole party/community with the one brush is just wrong and offensive.

It's like saying all republicans/nationalists are supporters of murder because the majority vote for Sinn Fein who are closely tied to the PIRA.

Surely we can keep political crap off a football topic?

I noticed you picked on nationalists and not loyalists. If you still support the GOP then you have to have an introspective with yourself after all they have done and allowed to be done in their name.

 

[Ramshock]

proof?

They are huge donors for Trump, albeit they made a small donation as a family group to Clinton in 2016 it was a tiny fraction of the amount they give to Trump. Trump also says they are very good friends on the Piers Morgan interview. You provide proof now that they are Dems.

 

[Sviken]

"The moral bs." Jesus wept.

Tbf, he is right. It's not up to us to tell how other countries should live. This is extreme arrogance and hubris. Not that telling them would have any effect anyway.

 

[Lee565]

I don't see why there are fans that want state owners, our cup/title victories would be as hollow as psg and man city's

 

[UpWithRivers]

It's not very very likely at all. It's extremely unlikely, and practically impossible.

Okay so Mr Glazer in America asks you to work alongside him. You're a smart billionaire businessman, so you know he is only in it for profits and not the love of the game. He says you will need to pay for the entire stadium redevelopment, the entire training ground redevelopment, pay billions for part of his shares and he won't help financially at all and in fact after you've invested billions of pounds into the club and made it a success, he'll reward that success by taking money out of it. Money YOU have made it, not him.

This is who you're working with?

You could pay 20% of that money and buy another premier league club, have full control and turn them into a CL team within 2 seasons

How you think a part-sale is "very, very likely" is astonishing to me

They could however use the Glaziers as a front to whatever business you want to get up to. The oil dudes are also not necessarily interested in football. They are interested in the access to the Western world and the fan base and to the politicians etc. They could leave the Glaziers to get all the sht for failures etc but invest in part ownership in return for control of sponsorships/financing etc. For example Quatar airways on the shirts and summer tours in Quatar etc. Just buying a cheap club and making them champions wont bring the fans they need. Thats why Twitter went for 40 billion. A team of devs could probably build you a better Twitter for 50 mill or less but you wont have the market share.
Just putting out a different perspective

 

[Rightnr]

I don't see why there are fans that want state owners, our cup/title victories would be as hollow as psg and man city's

Because some of us do not live in La-La Land. It's either someone with deep pockets and stand a chance or we slip into obscurity, Notts Forrest style.

 

[MDFC Manager]

I don't see why there are fans that want state owners, our cup/title victories would be as hollow as psg and man city's

I guess the reasoning is that hollow titles are better than no titles!

 

[Andersonson]

They are huge donors for Trump, albeit they made a small donation as a family group to Clinton in 2016 it was a tiny fraction of the amount they give to Trump. Trump also says they are very good friends on the Piers Morgan interview. You provide proof now that they are Dems.

This is Joel:
https://www.lx.com/news/bucs-vs-chi...dates-do-the-super-bowl-owners-support/30154/ Joel donated 2,5m$ to the democratic party
He has also donated $98,000 to Trump’s 2016 campaign

Avram: Pelosi fan it seems like.
Avram: https://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/avram-glazer.asp?cycle=20

It's clear they contribute to both parties, but the huge sums are going to the democratic party. Or you can prove otherwise

 

[Red_toad]

I don't see why there are fans that want state owners, our cup/title victories would be as hollow as psg and man city's

Fans on here want our god awful owners gone! Whoever gets the club does not necessarily mean that any future trophies would be ‘hollow’. United don’t need anyone to endlessly artificially dope the club with money. PSG and City are nothing without their owners, that cannot be said of United.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

They could however use the Glaziers as a front to whatever business you want to get up to. The oil dudes are also not necessarily interested in football. They are interested in the access to the Western world and the fan base and to the politicians etc. They could leave the Glaziers to get all the sht for failures etc but invest in part ownership in return for control of sponsorships/financing etc. For example Quatar airways on the shirts and summer tours in Quatar etc. Just buying a cheap club and making them champions wont bring the fans they need. Thats why Twitter went for 40 billion. A team of devs could probably build you a better Twitter for 50 mill or less but you wont have the market share.
Just putting out a different perspective

No disrespect but think about what you are saying.

How does any of that benefit the Glazers? They'd only want to maintain control for financial benefits and in this scenario it's the Arabian investors getting most of the profits and benefits.

They're not going to stick around to see their investor get the profits, they'd much rather take their £5bn plus and go suck another Sports team dry. Hopefully Liverpool.

 

[vanderpants]

Is this a serious post? Are you supposed to be some sort of ITK?

Not attacking you, just trying to see if I need to include a bookmark in my Muppet diary.

Edited

 

[vanderpants]

Thanks for the reply. Keep us updated on any information you get.

Edited

 

[Rightnr]

Serious post ? Utd do employ other people apart from footballers and coaches, if the admin/mods would like a few photos from Carrington of anything of there choice I will post in a private message but I won't post photos on here. The security guard that leaked the Antony signing was frog marched out of Carrington so that won't risk my job

As I said, I was NOT looking to be aggressive but this forum has its fair share of bullshit merchants and rival fans who come on to play games.

You might or might not already know the above since some newbies have read the forum for years but I am just explaining my thinking.

Going by the tone of your response, you don't sound like a bullshitter, so I'm happy for any bit of news.

Oh, and if this guy is proven legit, the mods better give him full membership for maximum muppetry.