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The wishful thinking in this thread is hilarious!
Basics economics when you run out of money, you try and borrow, when you then run out of people to lend you the money you fold or go bust not wishful thinking but someone who simply follows the money, for all we know this could be partially done but no announcement until August, great thing about a true NDA, no one but a few people actually know anything?

The debt however is not wishful thinking and the club 20 year loan to buy itself expires in 2025 unless you know more than the banks ?
 

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The club sale news has gone quiet. What are the Glazers playing at? Utd are listed. If I am not mistaken, you cannot consider selling the business partially or fully and eventually decide that you have changed your mind. Does not work that way. Risk of stock manipulation, as these sale talks have influenced investors and the price of the asset over the past few months. These people would risk serious civil liability if they do not go ahead with either a full sale or a partial sale as suggested. There is no turning back.
I’ve not followed it for a number of weeks. But sounds to me like no one coughed up the full 6 billion pounds they valued the club at
 

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I thought Phil Browns comments on his podcast last night were very interesting and made me think about our ownership in a different way.

I’d never really considered the fact that it’s probably the 4 siblings other than Joel and Avram that constantly make getting anything done at the club very difficult as they are not involved in the sporting side but I imagine they would have to sign off on financial stuff.

Phil suggested that Joel and Avram with funding to buy the others out would run the club in the right way, completely different to what we are now for anyone that didn’t listen. After all those two are the only ones that have an interest in the club.
He was saying he doesn’t agree with it but Joel and Avram’s argument is along the lines of nothing is their fault and if their siblings were to leave and someone is stupid enough to give them loads of money they would miraculously do a good job of running the club all of a sudden.
 

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The club sale news has gone quiet. What are the Glazers playing at? Utd are listed. If I am not mistaken, you cannot consider selling the business partially or fully and eventually decide that you have changed your mind. Does not work that way. Risk of stock manipulation, as these sale talks have influenced investors and the price of the asset over the past few months. These people would risk serious civil liability if they do not go ahead with either a full sale or a partial sale as suggested. There is no turning back.
They’ve no intentions of selling it until they get the price they want. There’s no law that says they’ve to sell just because they announced they’re looking to sell the club.
 

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I thought Phil Browns comments on his podcast last night were very interesting and made me think about our ownership in a different way.

I’d never really considered the fact that it’s probably the 4 siblings other than Joel and Avram that constantly make getting anything done at the club very difficult as they are not involved in the sporting side but I imagine they would have to sign off on financial stuff.

Phil suggested that Joel and Avram with funding to buy the others out would run the club in the right way, completely different to what we are now for anyone that didn’t listen. After all those two are the only ones that have an interest in the club.
That’s a load of crap if they’re responsible for keeping Woodward around for that long.
 

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I thought Phil Browns comments on his podcast last night were very interesting and made me think about our ownership in a different way.

I’d never really considered the fact that it’s probably the 4 siblings other than Joel and Avram that constantly make getting anything done at the club very difficult as they are not involved in the sporting side but I imagine they would have to sign off on financial stuff.

Phil suggested that Joel and Avram with funding to buy the others out would run the club in the right way, completely different to what we are now for anyone that didn’t listen. After all those two are the only ones that have an interest in the club.
Joel and Avram have never done anything that gives the slightest hint that they would run the club in the right way
 

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I thought Phil Browns comments on his podcast last night were very interesting and made me think about our ownership in a different way.

I’d never really considered the fact that it’s probably the 4 siblings other than Joel and Avram that constantly make getting anything done at the club very difficult as they are not involved in the sporting side but I imagine they would have to sign off on financial stuff.

Phil suggested that Joel and Avram with funding to buy the others out would run the club in the right way, completely different to what we are now for anyone that didn’t listen. After all those two are the only ones that have an interest in the club.
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‘He gazed up at the goblin face. 18 years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the Glazer silence. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast!

Two muppet-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Glazer.’
 

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Does anyone else keep misreading that title, or is it me being an idiot?

Keep reading it as "everything you read is wrong undoubtedly so" and it's really annoying

Main reason I want something to happen is so that title changes
 

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If the Glazers are holding out for £6B, they have gone about it in a weird and frustrating way.
Would’ve been easier to put out a statement at the beginning saying if we receive a offer of £6B+ in 2023, we will look to sell otherwise we will hang about longer.
 

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If the Glazers are holding out for £6B, they have gone about it in a weird and frustrating way.
Would’ve been easier to put out a statement at the beginning saying if we receive a offer of £6B+ in 2023, we will look to sell otherwise we will hang about longer.
£6b was the rumoured price from the very start. Early doors, Qatar announced their interest but said they would not over pay so have entered bids less than the asking price. And here we are many months later
 

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Sure, but the telling thing to me is that people in 'business' are now also thinking it's dragging along farcically.
It's another nothing burger with no particularly valuable insight.

What is also telling is the pro-sportswashing 'Full Sale Only' crowd being civil and polite to the Glazer's associated leeches. People who grew fat under the worst excesses of misrule, who now are demanding an extra bit of coin via Qatar's state bid.

Lindsell Train's CEO has been branded 'our hero' on these pages.
 

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Excuse me. We are the Arts capital of Australia.
We gave the world Nick Cave, although we apologise for the Minogues...
I know where my seeds would go, and it wouldn't be on some clapped out, has been heroin addicted Cohen wannabe.

But that is just a personal opinion.
 

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I think most believe believe that Sheikh Jassim will buy us, but it'll take so long we'll all be emotionally scared for life and this thread may go into the 6k pages.
 

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Would’ve been easier to put out a statement at the beginning saying if we receive a offer of £6B+ in 2023, we will look to sell otherwise we will hang about longer.
And knowing them, how rotten they are when they eventually receive that 6b offer, they will ask for 7b. There is no winning with them.
 

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100%. And we have some "experts" here telling me that it's normal for big business to take time to execute the sales.
Its normal for us. A club that look 18 months to sign Jadon Sancho from what is essentially a big clubs feeder system. A club that famously misses releases clauses in peoples contracts then negotiates higher after the fact. We have normalised idiocy in the business world.
 

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INEOS are in deep shit because I know for a fact that discussions are going on within Mercedes as to their 'input'
More likely he’s trying to scrape together enough money to buy the minority A shareholders out ?
 

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More likely he’s trying to scrape together enough money to buy the minority A shareholders out ?
This is the nub of the delay.

The Glazers are probably waiting on the following:
  • Ineos to sort out the minority/finance issues (no wonder Sir Jim is happy to wait for himself)
  • On receipt of that new Ineos terms, that Jassim ups his bid.
  • Alternatively for Jassim to become so fed up he just caves in and ups his bid to finalise the deal.
Glazers don’t care to who they sell, they have no preference only to the sum that they are paid.
 
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hmmm the share price has dropped ~20% from its peak at $26 a few weeks ago. So in your opinion, what does it mean? a more drastic drop would make them blink first?
They could certainly be worried by a drastic drop as the A class shareholders could really start flexing their muscles. Those are the people they most worry about.
 

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Even the history buffs have packed up their books and left the thread. At least we won our first double in 1994 with two sublime penalties from Eric at Wembley.
 

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If the Glazers are holding out for £6B, they have gone about it in a weird and frustrating way.
Would’ve been easier to put out a statement at the beginning saying if we receive a offer of £6B+ in 2023, we will look to sell otherwise we will hang about longer.
I think they’re after way more than £6B.
 

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This is the nub of the delay.

The Glazers are probably waiting on the following:
  • Ineos to sort out the minority/finance issues (no wonder Sir Jim is happy to wait for himself)
  • On receipt of that new Ineos terms, that Jassim ups his bid.
  • Alternatively for Jassim to become so fed up he just caves in and ups his bid to finalise the deal.
Glazers don’t care to who they sell, they have no preference only to the sum that they are paid.
Yeah it transpires that Joel & Avram want to stay, but need to borrow to buy the ‘A’ class share holders out. I can’t see them being able to do this personally.
 

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Its normal for us. A club that look 18 months to sign Jadon Sancho from what is essentially a big clubs feeder system. A club that famously misses releases clauses in peoples contracts then negotiates higher after the fact. We have normalised idiocy in the business world.
The senior management/directors of the club are atrocious at their jobs.
Incompetence at the highest level.
 

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Even the history buffs have packed up their books and left the thread. At least we won our first double in 1994 with two sublime penalties from Eric at Wembley.
The Rwandan genocide took place this year, killing up to 800,000 people.
 

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1994 was a very good year for hip-hop.
 

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He obviously just doesn’t understand that ‘this isn’t a transfer’.
But he does understand that there’s a bid on the table that could pay them around $38 per share. That’s worth millions to them and other A class shareholders. These are the sort of rumblings the Glazer’s won’t like. Not threatening , yet, but expecting them to sell to Jassim is a statement of what could happen if they don’t find an agreement. A friendly shot across the bows is how I read this.
 
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