I think if we had a "Qatar vs Radcliffe" poll on here it wouldn't be that one-sided, but I might be wrong.
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Yet in the same poll 98% of voted for the Glazers to go with only 1.8% voting for minority investment. Surely if this poll was hijacked by rival fans they would've voted for the Glazers to remain?
Their is literally dozens of businesses they own, have you stopped buying from there, because the money goes into their pocket or have you stopped using oil or gas which is bought by your government from them and eventually their evil earnings increase. There is hypocrisy and selective blindness from people.
If they are soo evil, then UK as a whole should bycott them and people living their should protest with the government to stop letting them invest in the economy and stop buying from them. Because eventually you guys are consumers for them.
Yes, you are right.
As much as I hate our current ownership, these are sad days for our club.
Can we have a vote poll in the forum
So just to be clear, despite having a moral compass you will still celebrate all the successes we have in the future off the back of the Qatari money?
Why is it up to Manchester United to be the ones to uphold the moral integrity of football? That horse bolted long, long ago.
I am not sure but has the moral argument been discussed yet?
Fans will be more accepting of Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber Al Thani once they learn he used to be the bass player for The Stone Roses. He's as Mancunian as they come.
Is this for real, remembering something from 3 days back and quoting it, it's something a child would do. Life is too short bro, enjoy and have a good day
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You can hate the owners while still supporting the club. Most United fans have been in that boat for the last 17 years and it didn't stop fans from celebrating the titles we won over the years. The club is bigger than the owners.
I’d be interested to know when that Athletic poll was carried out. Up until about 10 days or so, it was just Ratcliffe/INEOS in the conversation and the likes of Qatar were a bit of an unknown. Only in the last week has the Qatar briefs come out and intensified from there.
I'm amazed that you can't work out what the difference is between one of the highest profile football clubs, supported by millions around the world, being bought and an anonymous hotel or plaza being bought. Do you not think the level of awareness and media coverage may be just ever so slightly different?
It's just a poll by a news outlet. I've just listened to the podcast and Whitwell clearly stated it's not a true insight into the United fan base, just an interesting veiw. Nobody is claiming it's the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I think it's unfair to hold sports fans to this standard. If you spend your whole life supporting something, you honestly can't be expected to just switch that off because the "wrong" people purchased it.
Precisely. This ‘survey’ is definitely front-loaded and akin to a ‘causation v correlation’ result, i.e. those who a) like The Athletic’s content, b) can afford to pay the subscription and c) the types to engage in polls in the first place are all likely to be, publicly, anti-anything-deemed-to-be-negative and will proclaim their virtuosity to all who’ll listen.
As you can see from other polls conducted (one even in the thread of the Athletic’s original tweet), the picture emerging is quite a lot of United fans want what’s best for the club and another debt-saddling takeover by Ratcliffe and the banks simply isn’t it.
I absolutely promise he was always down the hac, giving it large and gurning his tits off, thats why locally he was known as jibber jaber
Fine what you say makes sense, point taken
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There is literally a direct vote in his replies with 2k plus votes showing Qatar 85%. British media are shitting themselves.
Who cares about a twitter poll anyway? Insight from the minds Mason Greenwood apologists. Dog dirt.
I’m not from Manchester. So this isn’t about me. But of course the local fans matter more. Compare the cost of going to OT every week to us watching it on tv every week.
Compare the cost and commitment and sacrifices to go home and away week after week to watching from our couches.
That doesn’t mean we don’t care or we don’t hurt when they lose or celebrate when they win. It doesn’t mean our mood can’t be impacted if we’re in bad form. But that’s different to taking time off work to go to European away games or struggling in work on a Monday after getting back from an away game in London in the early hours.
I’d like to think if United ended up in the championship or league one, and weren’t on TV every week, I’d still try to get to OT a couple of times a season. But who knows. But you can be sure the millions that tune in every week would dwindle and dwindle as success left the club.
But to the locals, it’s their club, the majority would still be going home and away if United were in the National league.
I’m not saying non locals aren’t proper fans. I’m not saying we care less. But there’s a clear difference between the majority of fans and locals for who United is literally and geographically part of their identity.
i hear he has a massive portrait of Bez hanging in the palace.
We're all hypocrites to some extent - it's literally unavoidable.
I still feel it's different to criticize/be against petro state ownership of the club you support, and to burn and boycott anything Qatari from our personal lives.
I want people to have good and humane working conditions - but I'm typing this on an iPhone.
I want the world to make a proper effort towards stopping climate change - but my own carbon footprint is shocking.
I want Saudi Arabia to stop beheading people in the town square - but I haven't burnt my passport even though the norwegian gov are in bed with the Saudis.
I really want Manchester United to be owned by people with a better moral compass than the Qataris - yet I will still support Manchester United if/when the Qataris take over.
You can indeed criticize something and hope for a different outcome and/or change - even though you still participate in or support things owned by the criticized party.
Oh well, it looks like I am either going to only support my home town club or stop watching football completely, if this happens.
Excellent and very true post
Will you have the same outlook if INEOS win the bid?
He thinks non local united supporters are worth less as supporters. Such an arrogant opinion to alienise hundred of millions of united supporters. When I read his comment I felt disgusted. Why does he think he is worth more than any other supporter? because he goes to the matches to the stadium 10km from where he lives?
I have to spare money every year to travel to the UK to attend one or two matches at OT and it costs me a fortune (folds more than what a local pay for a season ticket) for only two matches not to forget the amount of money we pay for TV to watch the games. This type of opinions is arrogant and condescending, its disgusting.
OK?
What are people supposed to do? There isn’t a ballot like system that allows United fans to vote for the benevolent billionaire of their choosing to acquire the club.
People have protested for like two decades for the club to be sold - surely at some point -recently or otherwise - it must have registered that this was the only/likely outcome with the way football went in 2008
You guys have been clocking double shifts to shame people over something they don’t have control over. Most people have resigned to the reality of things and are just hoping the club will be rid of debt and with some investment made to stadium - academy and general infrastructure - and then left to run itself.
that said, Mbappe on the left
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So you don't understand how supporting a team works. Well done.
If INEOS have serious human rights abuses including murder of homosexuals and none muslims, rape, and other human rights abuses, then yes.
Have you never heard of intentional bias in voting error? it is a tool used for hundreds of years by the media. If I was going to be choosing between Twitter and the athletic "paywall vote" of course I will choose Twitter, at least it is free to give your opinion and not exclusive.
I agree, I just find it a little hypocritical when someone wants to betray themselves on the moral high ground but still bask in all the glory that comes with such a regime.
I understand perfectly, I’m just confused by those who will be morally outraged by this takeover and yet will still celebrate when we win off the back of them.
INEOS as a company are destroying the enviroment. That's a human rights abuse as worse as any.
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Twitter has so much more noise in their polls from bots, rival fans, engineered votes etc. This is such a nonsense but I'm not going to derail the thread by debating it further.Discuss which potential owner wins on moral points in the other thread please.
Great thing about Twitter too is the poll could be easily shared by thousands of fans of rival clubs and shared on rival forums to really get a good idea of what United fans think.
This all thing showed how much above the rest United is. Nobody is talking about Liverpool's sale. It is all about United. United is the main prize. Sweet.
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