They’re giving us a promise of investment the rest will be our own money unless they want to do something crazy like buy Haaland for £300m. But who can really see that happening.
If the Glazers aren’t willing to part with 100% of their shares, INEOS with an operating majority is still significantly better for us than what we have now.
“undecided on various contenders”
We really don’t know if this is true, neither do the football journalists. This whole thing seems like comparing Apples to Pears.
A nice, fair, reasonable post. Good to see.
I think so. But I feel a lot of news says the Qatar bid is lower. And yeah, if you take SJR's offer times 2 you get around 6bn. But Jassims offer for about 5,5bn is for both the higher valued B shares but also the lower valued A shares. So I don't know, maybe they are valued the same? Or was Jassims bid just for the Glazers shares even though it´s for 100% of the club? My god this is confusing.
No, that kind of football could have been kept up if klopp was given the same resources a Qatar owned United would have. Or even a Jim owned, debt free United.
There's been a few sounds the last 48 hours that suggest they are keen to remind people of the idea they could opt for investment rather than selling a controlling stake in the club.
The problem is that most people opposed to Qatar seem to think that they'll sportswash and turn us into another City when the situations are completely different. For starters, we don't need the fake sponsorships that City use, and new FFP rules mean we couldn't go on a huge spending spree even if that's what the owners wished. What they will do is wipe all the fecking debt, redevelop OT and the training grounds that have needed investment for fecking years, and get rid of the Glazers. I don't think any of us hoping Qatar wins the bid are wishing for some FM style buying binge like Chelsea did. It's more about permanently purging the toxicity from previous owners and allowing the club to operate as it should without parasites at the top.
I'm not worried about it, if Qatar win I'll just have to accept it I'm not going to stop supporting Utd after 40+ years that would be impossible for me to do that.
That's fair given what we've heard so far, I just think Utd are a completely different animal to Nice and I'm sure he knows fine well that the scrutiny of owning Utd means he won't get away with it.
Liverpool fans will never accept Qatar, Saudi or any other type of oil money. Their club means more to them than you think. A lot more.
Excellent.
Yeah that’s true.. but take a loan against Qatar against smart business from Ineos, just plays abit different knowing that the back end will be most costly the Ineos way. You understand what I mean? Roman is a good example. Chelsea have had to pay nothing back for his investment. They still owed him money but if he never sold he would have probably never asked for it back.
Jassim's bid is for only 69% of the B shares. That's all they can bid for at this point.
You're arguing against a point I didn't make there. I said that kind of football could have been sustained with adequate resources, Liverpool aren't us and won't have the commercial appeal regardless of ownership, but it doesn't mean that city can't be caught.
No one is bidding £4.8-5 billion just to get 69% voting B shares, they will get a premium on these shares because only the Glazer B shares need to be purchased to take control of the club however because the club is listed on NYSE all bids were asked by Raine group to be for 100% value with the assumption that a bidding party only had to buy controlling shares. SJ wants to delist the club and make it private which is why you hear 100%, the club listed value or market cap is currently about $3bn which means even though Glazers have B voting shares and control the club they are worth 69% of that value, however both bidders have given the glazers a huge increase on their share value to try and buy a controlling stake so the bids are for full value. if the Glazers agreed to SJR £5bn valuation of the club, they would sell their shares 69% to the value of £3.45 billion, SJR would now own all 69% of the B shares and he would have no commitment to buy the remaining 31% or pay the debt as he is not looking to delist the club.
Yes I see your point
Catching City wouldn't be just winning one title. That can happen as Leicester did and as Liverpool have done once. You have to do it consistently and knock them off their perch. Personally I don't see that happening until Pep walks away or if the PL go really hard on them which seems unlikely.
They were already at the checkout counter.
The issue is that (regarding the bold) we have been given absolutely zero reason to think that we won't also see investment in the infrastructure of the club under INEOS. In fact the idea that the stadium issue will inevitably be fixed under new owners has been treated as fact in pretty much all reports since this saga began.
Maybe because they aren't valued at 5.5bn to 6bn quid by a couple of American bandits.
Glazers in a nutshell. This is the reason why we haven't been successful despite spending more than a billion.
Unfortunately that's the trend.
But over the course of three separate seasons, within 4 years, Liverpool finished 2nd by a point and 1st by 19 points. With far less resources than city. If we had the kind of resources Qatar would offer, there's no good reason we couldn't do as well as Liverpool or better.
What you're describing is still sportswashing.
Not at all. He has a video, before Ratcliffe sold out to the Glazers, where he clearly states all the negatives of Qatar and state ownership.
Can't see that ending well as they are meant to be the intermediaries for this sale
So Jassim needs to up it to £6bn pronto
Elliot Management.
Scrooge McDuck
Don't give a flying crap. We sell our soul to mask awful rights abusers we will never get it back.
No one, everything the journalists post is just bullshit designed to generate clicks. You have people on here standing behind the exact value of the bids that have been placed even though the numbers are coming from people with all sorts of conflicting reports. The bidders are under NDAs and aren't going to risk that by briefing journalists, we'll only know once there's confirmation, until then it's all talk
If you believe the reports, Ineos are (currently) winning. Their valuation of the Glazers' shares is higher than Qatar's and they are more flexible and willing to offer the family a remaining interest. Qatar have closed much of the valuation gap with their offer yesterday, but it looks like they will lose unless they up their offer again. The question is whether we can believe the reports.
