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[Berbaclass]

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[Nou_Camp99]

They've won 2 of their titles over the last 6 years by a single point, the title was out of their hands this year until arsenal bottled it, they've only had seasons (17/18 and 20/21) where no other side could catch them. The idea that there's nothing that could be done to catch them isn't really based on anything real

We won the league in 99 by a single point. Doesn't stop me saying it was the greatest season ever.

If Pep stays around with Haaland upfront.....I don't see ETH taking him down quite honestly. I really can't see it. We would definitely get closer no doubt about it. Don't think Erik is Pep level though or anything like it.

 

[bosniamanutd]

Money does not always mean a success. Take a look at chelsea now..you have to buy smart and have a good coach to lead a team.

 

[Berbaclass]

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[horsechoker]

It might be time to increase the protests

 

[dpansheth]

We won the league in 99 by a single point. Doesn't stop me saying it was the greatest season ever.

If Pep stays around with Haaland upfront.....I don't see ETH taking him down quite honestly. I really can't see it. We would definitely get closer no doubt about it. Don't think Erik is Pep level though or anything like it.

The point is which owner going to provide resources and demand success from ETH.

 

[Rightnr]

Anyone arguing we'll get close to this City side on thoughts and prayers needs a reality check.

What's the closest we've been to City since Pep arrived? Probably his first year and then we've been miles behind in every single season.

Saying they've won the title by the odd point in years where Liverpool would have walked it in any other 'normal' season completely glosses over the fact we ourselves scrapped through to win our treble while they're crusing to theirs this season and could realistically go for it next season (not win it but just stating this is crazy).

Using exceptions to make a point about long-sustained dominance is ironic, given it's the fact people have to pull examples out of their backside just to make a case for us challenging, let alone beating City which just proves how much of an uphill battle we're facing with Jimmy Brexit in charge.

Qatar or irrelevance is literally the choice.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Please make it end!!!

 

[TsuWave]

What a horrible timeline

 

[Rolaholic]

Yea the ever increasing and inevitable specter of Man City matching our treble and rubber stamping their place in the discussion of greatest English sides of all-time would probably make even the most ardent top red reevaluate their position regarding oil money and the present day realities of the game...

How else do you compete with billion dollar squads that can add the likes of Erling fecking Haaland on a whim

 

[jm99]

We won the league in 99 by a single point. Doesn't stop me saying it was the greatest season ever.

If Pep stays around with Haaland upfront.....I don't see ETH taking him down quite honestly. I really can't see it. We would definitely get closer no doubt about it. Don't think Erik is Pep level though or anything like it.

But that's not what you said, you said that even with Qatar level resources we wouldn't finish ahead of them, when both Liverpool and arsenal have been able to finish ahead of them in recent years but just didn't see it through (and then one season where Liverpool were miles clear)

 

[MTF]

Anyone arguing we'll get close to this City side on thoughts and prayers needs a reality check.

What's the closest we've been to City since Pep arrived? Probably his first year and then we've been miles behind in every single season.

Saying they've won the title by the odd point in years where Liverpool would have walked it in any other 'normal' season completely glosses over the fact we ourselves scrapped through to win our treble while they're crusing to theirs this season and could realistically go for it next season (not win it but just stating this is crazy).

Using exceptions to make a point about long-sustained dominance is ironic, given it's the fact people have to pull examples out of their backside just to make a case for us challenging, let alone beating City which just proves how much of an uphill battle we're facing with Jimmy Brexit in charge.

Qatar or irrelevance is literally the choice.

I'll take the latter, thanks.

 

[DOTA]

Yea the ever increasing spector of Man City matching our treble and Rubber stamping their place in the discussion of greatest English sides of all-time would probably make even the most ardent top red reevaluate their position regarding oil money and the present day realities of the game...

Nope. I'm as top as ever, thank you. Qatar can get fecked.

 

[Sweet Square]

Well that’s this summer transfer window completely fecked.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

But that's not what you said, you said that even with Qatar level resources we wouldn't finish ahead of them, when both Liverpool and arsenal have been able to finish ahead of them in recent years but just didn't see it through (and then one season where Liverpool were miles clear)

Arsenal could lose it this weekend with City having 3 games spare.

And what I said is true. Qatar wealth behind ETH doesn't make us better than City under Pep. It would take about 3-4 years to catch up in my opinion if not longer.

 

[sepulturite]

Yeh I think whoever your preferred bidder is, it's time all fans got together and protested against the parasites and how long it's taking them to finish this whole process. They're just taking the piss now.

 

[Giggsyking]

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I am getting tired of those fecking leeches. Just feck off and accept any bid. How much money do you want you fecking greedy leeches.

 

[Roboc7]

Arsenal could lose it this weekend with City having 3 games spare.

And what I said is true. Qatar wealth behind ETH doesn't make us better than City under Pep. It would take about 3-4 years to catch up in my opinion if not longer.

It will take 3-4 years, we’ve always needed that amount of time to put a team together ever since SAF left. We haven’t even really started, as good as Casemiro has been he was just a stop gap and it’s why we need to avoid other short term signings.

New owners need to revamp pretty much everything and even with huge sums of cash we’re not competing at level City are at for a few years at best.

 

[Raynaldo-dossantos]

So no final decision has been made. Yeah, that's totally new information.

 

[jm99]

Arsenal could lose it this weekend with City having 3 games spare.

And what I said is true. Qatar wealth behind ETH doesn't make us better than City under Pep. It would take about 3-4 years to catch up in my opinion if not longer.

Right but arsenal also drew at home to the worst team in the league, bottled a two goal lead at Liverpool and then lost 3-0 at home to Brighton. Its not as if arteta is either a goat level manager or had endless resources and if not for this bottling they would have beaten city to the league. With Qatar we should have a chance, even with Jim if he clears the debt and invests, I'm not as pessimistic as some, I have reservations about Jim based on Nice and his initial statement, but he does have the resources to invest if that's what he wants to do

 

[clarkydaz]

I am getting tired of those fecking leeches. Just feck off and accept any bid. How much money do you want you fecking greedy leeches.

doesnt seem to matter what number is laid on the table, they would simply try for more

 

[DOTA]

Yeh I think whoever your preferred bidder is, it's time all fans got together and protested against the parasites and how long it's taking them to finish this whole process. They're just taking the piss now.

I can't say I see the point. Like, how exactly protests put any pressure on, under these circumstances.

 

[jm99]

It will take 3-4 years, we’ve always needed that amount of time to put a team together ever since SAF left. We haven’t even really started, as good as Casemiro has been he was just a stop gap and it’s why we need to avoid other short term signings.

New owners need to revamp pretty much everything and even with huge sums of cash we’re not competing at level City are at for a few years at best.

I don't know about this timeline, Arsenal barely finished ahead of us last year and nearly won the title this season. I'd say with our financial resources if the debt is cleared, we should be challenging in 2 seasons max and if we aren't I'd be very disappointed in ten hag.

Newcastle went from relegation top 4 in a season and a half, we seem to be the only club in the world that thinks every manager needs 3 years to be able to see improvements

 

[sepulturite]

I can't say I see the point. Like, how exactly protests put any pressure on, under these circumstances.

Yeh that's true unfortunately

 

[united_99]

Christ can we stop all the City talk? It will be Newcastle in a few years, and maybe someone else, too.

We don’t need new owners because City are about to win a treble. We need new owners who will manage the club much better than the Glazers have, clear/manage the debt, improve the infrastructure and support the manager.
Regardless of what City does. City are not the reason that we have spent half of the last decade in the Europa and the other half being nowhere close to good enough in CL.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Right but arsenal also drew at home to the worst team in the league, bottled a two goal lead at Liverpool and then lost 3-0 at home to Brighton. Its not as if arteta is either a goat level manager or had endless resources and if not for this bottling they would have beaten city to the league. With Qatar we should have a chance, even with Jim if he clears the debt and invests, I'm not as pessimistic as some, I have reservations about Jim based on Nice and his initial statement, but he does have the resources to invest if that's what he wants to do

Our best hope is that if they do win the treble Pep walks off into the sunset for one of his notorious rests with his job done.

Until he's gone they aren't going anywhere. 6 titles in 8 seasons. We won't get close to them.

Knowing our luck he will stay here another 10 years and turn this league into the SPL.

 

[reddevilchennai]

Our best hope is that if they do win the treble Pep walks off into the sunset for one of his notorious rests with his job done.

Until he's gone they aren't going anywhere. 6 titles in 8 seasons. We won't get close to them.

Knowing our luck he will stay here another 10 years and turn this league into the SPL.

No. I really want Ten Hag to challenge him and make him run away as Mourinho did in La Liga.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

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End of the season is just over a week away. It’ll take much longer than that with the way it’s going

It might be time to increase the protests

They’ve been shockingly tame lately. Feels more like the glazers are waiting until the season is over to announce something shit because they know then that no match day protests can happen. I’d have thought protests should be ramped up beforehand

 

[jm99]

Our best hope is that if they do win the treble Pep walks off into the sunset for one of his notorious rests with his job done.

Until he's gone they aren't going anywhere. 6 titles in 8 seasons. We won't get close to them.

Knowing our luck he will stay here another 10 years and turn this league into the SPL.

Liverpool finished 1 point behind them in 2 seasons and 19 ahead in a third. And Liverpool don't have nation state level resources. To think that we couldn't is just utterly defeatist

 

[RedStarUnited]

But again this whole Outlook is based on our current situation because we are frustrated and want to get rid of Glazers immediately .

But putting deadline or window on sales of the club could be counter productive , there is nothing unusual with the timeline of current sales process and it isn't even that long it's just feels long because of our own impatience

And whole Chelsea thing was big exception it should rather stay that way .

You don't think having a long sales process hinders the club in any sort of way?

Let's say a world class player calls Eric tomorrow and says he wants to join United, Glazers will still have to approve any transfer. Would they really care about said transfer given that they are in the middle of selling us? Does that not hinder our progress?

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

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I fecking hate these people. I know must of us do, but man, my hate is getting strong. Not a big fan of the word hate either....

 

[7even]

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Another one speculating without real knowledge.

 

[sullydnl]

It's a fact that even under the Glazers we spent enough on our football team to be more than competitive with City. It's a fact that INEOS would be in a position to improve our financial outlook further, as they have access to vast resources relative to the Glazers. It's a fact that the Pep/Begiristain combo will not be at City forever. It's a fact that even while they've been there, other teams have in fact won the PL. And it's a fact that throughout the entire 12-15 year era of City & PSG state ownership, the CL has been won by some other team each and every single season.

So please, stop the bedwetting. No, it isn't a choice between Qatar and irrelevance. And yes, there will be plenty of opportunities for us to win major trophies even with Pep at City.

 

[Rightnr]

You see what these cnuts have caused over the past 15 years, so for me anyone who keeps them at the club can feck off as well.

That is without considering any of the other disadvantages that come with Jimmy Brexit.

 

[Judas]

Imagine what a nightmare these idiots would be working down at a car boot sale. You'd struggle to get a pair of manky slippers from them in a timely manner.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Liverpool finished 1 point behind them in 2 seasons and 19 ahead in a third. And Liverpool don't have nation state level resources. To think that we couldn't is just utterly defeatist

What Liverpool did was nothing short of miraculous tbh but look at them now too. That heavy metal football can't be kept up. Those seasons took their toll on them where as City barely break a sweat each week as they just keep the ball instead.

Defeatist or a realist? We are a million miles away right now.

 

[red thru&thru]

By what mechanism? Ineos are offering more per share than Qatar?

Correct me if I'm wrong, based on loose figures:

SJR is offering 3bn for around 51% of the Glazers B shares, valuing the club around 6bn. Sheikh Jassim is offering around 5.5bn for 69% of all the Glazers B shares.

That Correct?

 

[dpansheth]

SJR was not the only with staggered payment idea?
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/nfl-2023.475617/post-30559757

 

[Fts 74]

Why are you classed a "top red" because you don't want Qatar?Its one of the most infuriating sayings used on the caf.

I don't want us to be classed as a sportswashing project and if in 2/3 years we're as dominant as City(don't forget the huge elephant in the room 100+ charges)are right now, the narrative around us would be completely different it would probably be discussed in parliament how unfair it is.
Maybe as an older fan I see it a bit different we earn more than enough money to compete the problem has been we've wasted it for years.

Get competent owners in and we'll be fine this we need Qatar money to compete with cheats is ridiculous there is absolutely no guarantee that Qatar would be any good(same with Ineos granted)

Suppose that makes me a top red ah well.

 

[George The Best]

Doesn’t quite work like that, whatever percentage of the club you intend to buy, the bidder still needs to value 100% of the club but you are right SJR values the club at £5bn or just over $6.2bn the Glazers would get 69% of that value for a full sale for their controlling shares, with the caveat that SJR would not have to settle the debt or buy the remaining 31% shares and take the club off the stock market.

SJR layered offer for 50.01% values it at rumoured to be the same value just over $3bn or £2.5bn to buy controlling shares again but leave Avram and Joel with the opportunity to keep their from 2-4 years with a guaranteed uplift in share index price where their combined equity currently valued in his takeover at £1.2bn could potentially be worth much more in year 3 and year 4.

The reality is SJ has only ever wanted full control of the club and take it off the NYSE so he’s now offered £5.6bn however £800m of that offer is for future investment, which means his last and supposedly final offer is £4.8bn as debt and future investment have no bearing on the buyout process which is less than SJR offer for 69% as SJR has offered £3.45bn to all 6 siblings and SJ £3.31bn so there is a difference of £124m, this is how I understand it from speaking to people who work in the stock market and financial advisors.

Qatar/SJ are in the embarrassing position of not being able to control the outcome of this process due to SJR offer to keep Avram and Joel and let them have 20%, he may use the additional money saved in buying them out to invest in stadia refurbishment, player transfers and paying off the club debt, if he comes out after wining this the fans will soon get inside.

Qatar are either walking away in one weeks time or they are going to offer a huge bid which may be £5.6bn or even £6bn. SJR will not increase his offer, he doesn’t need to.

Why do they need to value 100% of the club? There are 2 sets of shares, A & B. The A shares are worth considerably less. The Glazer’s can only sell their B shares, the A shares are not up for sale at this time. Why would anyone need to put a value on the A shares at this stage? Glazer’s only want the best price for their shares, The remaining 31% A shares are irrelevant to them.