Four Glazers at the early stages of getting out. Other two. Well, being encircled somewhat. Only way this could be done. We have avoided some despicable regime dressing in the clothes of the club. Poor Newcastle. Not perfect. But cause for a little bit of hope. Greetings, all.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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This was going to my question - couldn’t find an answer online when this was initially announced on Christmas Eve. So the £300m investment will result in new shares being issued for that value? Any idea what ownership % that would take INEOS to if it’s over and above the initial 25%?
Going forward do you know how further investment and dilution would work in practise? Presumably issuing new shares would require Board approval so does that mean it can be blocked by the Glazers - i.e. if INEOS wanted to invest £2bn into infrastructure is that an open pathway to ultimately gaining majority control?
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We're all just guessing here. I am optimistic that the club will now be better run and that in the long term control will be wrestled away from the Glazers.
Erm, how do you think that credit is paid back out of interest?
You think United just cough up money at the end of the term, or spread the cost of that credit put over numerous years?
Well at least we’ll have the moral high ground when Newcastle are winning Champions Leagues and we are consistently fighting to finish in Europa League spots.
If that's the price to pay, so be it.
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why go through announcments if its not been signed off?
Fair play to him, one day in and he's already had more communication with the fans than the Glazers had in 18 years.
I love the fact they have to keep saying how successful the club has been commercially when slating the football side of stuff to not piss the Glazers off 
Anyway, fair play to him - he’s putting himself front and centre taking full responsibility - I think he’s mad but hopefully they can sort us out.
Anyway, fair play to him - he’s putting himself front and centre taking full responsibility - I think he’s mad but hopefully they can sort us out.
Christmas gift!
Seriously though, I think they had to make an announcement as soon as it was voted at the United board level. Being publicly listed and all.
No idea what they are like though. They may not have any interest in Utd or football, so if Ratcliffe starts having health issues and the sons become closer to taking over (if they are intended to inherit his businesses) they may shelve the plan to become majority owner. Of course that would raise serious long-term questions whether he has a majority or not.Jim Ratcliffe has kids, so there won't be much to worry about.
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https://x.com/ineos/status/1738954765197877497?s=46&t=BENxQbNwlN1pIMGY-MJfyQ
SJR chairman of INEOS, Trawlers = SJR
SJR = Trawlers = INEOS
I also refer you to the United statement:
“Sir Jim and INEOS bring a wealth of commercial experience as well as significant financial commitment into the Club. And, through INEOS Sport, Manchester United will have access to seasoned high-performance professionals, experienced in creating and leading elite teams from both inside and outside the game. Manchester United has talented people right across the Club and our desire is to always improve at every level to help bring our great fans more success in the future.”
I am well aware the shares are held by Trawlers
Who is chaired by SJR the club is being operated by INEOS of which SJR is also the chair.
Goblins are known for their trickery and love of mischief. They are typically associated with hoarding treasure.
Gremlins are mischievous entities that cause mayhem. They often sabotage technology.
Glazers are clearly goblins
Gremlins are mischievous entities that cause mayhem. They often sabotage technology.
Glazers are clearly goblins
Oh wow you doubled down.
Answer a single question without any waffle: who will be the owner of the 25%?
What a well thought out post
I do find it strange that some posters are unwilling to see any positives from this deal when you read things like this.
Is he in a position now to make decisions or does the six-eight week period for it to be finished need to occur?
The same people are involved, but INEOS the organization will not own anything, nor will any of their subsidiaries.
Formally, he has to be approved by the Premier League.
Yes they are, they had a multi million pound business and ran it so deep into the ground it now operates at a loss.
They haven’t a clue what they are doing and further goes to show this was all Daddy Glazer and these are just chancers.
Sir Jim will run rings round these when it comes to business.
Congrats Sir Jim. A Manc owning 25% of MUFC is fantastic.
We will see what happens over the given weeks, months and years, but if he starts to bring in competent people in key positions, then in will be a massive step in the right direction.
Hopefully this ends the last 10 years of throwing good money at bad players.
We will see what happens over the given weeks, months and years, but if he starts to bring in competent people in key positions, then in will be a massive step in the right direction.
Hopefully this ends the last 10 years of throwing good money at bad players.
It’s amusing to watch people try to act all condescending and superior, whilst not understanding such fundamental points.
I came to say the same thing. It essentially means one and the same
It doesn't though. The actual legal ownership model is an important distinction that has many ramifications.I came to say the same thing. It essentially means one and the same
The same people are involved but that doesn't mean it's "one and the same" - far from it.
But from an ownership/UEFA point of view, it’s completely different. See the Red Bull clubs.I came to say the same thing. It essentially means one and the same
Try googling the difference between directors and shareholders.I came to say the same thing. It essentially means one and the same
The Gazer cancer is still with us. Does this put it into remission? Doubt it but we can hope.
He is an ex Newcastle player and you are in the wrong threadHold up! Isn't Chris Wood ex-Newcastle? Didn't Forest buy him from them?
This. Red Bull tweaked the ownership model years ago to avoid any problems with Leipzig and Salzburg in UEFA competitions. We're basically doing the same here, and I expect City Football Group to do similar now that Girona is looking like qualifying for the CL.
You might want to Google what the Glazers have made from the club by not investing any of their own money
Much less than they could have made by running it competently. They're stupid businessmen.
Not if Forest have anything to say about it.
They're good at making money for themselves but they are very stupid when it comes to running a business, in terms of getting that business to operate well and be as strong as it can be. The Glazers made money because they were 8n charge if Man United which was the dominant club during a time when football popularity exploded. They had nothing to do with it from a positive POV. In fact they've overseen a club who had a considerable financial advantage against any other English club turn into just one of many top clubs.
Personal financial gain has nothing to do with how smart they actually are
They could have made a hell of a lot more if the club was run better. We could easily have had significantly more revenue coming in while having less funds going out, which would also have led to their shares being worth more. I honestly think they've cost themselves at least a billion pounds over the last decade through mismanagement.
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Fvck! I didn't delete it in time!He is an ex Newcastle player and you are in the wrong thread
I've got like 20 open tabs on my Google Chrome on the phone, all Redcafe. It had to happen eventually.
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