Honestly baffled at people not wanting Gill back in the fold. He was an outstanding CEO for us.
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Clearly the press have been completely guessing at who will fill the new roles for a while, never mind the muppets etc.
Will be a few months until any appointments are made I expect.
Will be a few months until any appointments are made I expect.
I see the media have picked up where they left off from the takeover saga by regurgitating the same old shite and making out like it’s new information. We know who the favourite candidates for CEO, DOF and head of recruitment are, we also know there’s other names in the hat as well, so no need to remind us every single day.
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I honestly doubt that any of the former management, including SAF, have what it takes to change this club. We need fresh blood by people who have done their job very well in the past 10 years
So currently we've got No1 in place yet, CEO, sporting director or head of recruitment.
INEOS had months while waiting for the deal to go through that they could've lined people up, so would've thought it happens quickly when they're officially in place. Let's see.
INEOS had months while waiting for the deal to go through that they could've lined people up, so would've thought it happens quickly when they're officially in place. Let's see.
Precisely, they aren't officially in place yet.
Was he?
He was good at what he did in what was a very different Manchester United.
He let Fergie get on with his job when we were fairly settled as a club and let that paid dividends. Even the Glazer takeover didn't really see a downward turn in performances until Fergie left.
I'm not sure how good Gill would be at helping to rebuild a structure. He has zero experience of that. He never had to think about sacking a manager, planning a fairly major ground rebuild/revamp etc.
If he's been taken on as an advisor/consultant, I can see the logic. Anything else would be a concern.
In my opinion, David Gill is the CEO version of Gary Neville. He's loyal, he's stable and he's uninspiring. On the upside
a- He knows United inside out
b- He comes with a sterling reputation having worked with United, the FA, the UEFA and FIFA
C-He fought tooth and nail to keep the Glazers out. From what I heard he did far more then SAF did
d- He's known to run a tight ship (wage structure etc) while concurrently fully trusting the football people on football matters.
The downsides are
a- Gill knew how important SAF was and yet he did nothing to soften the blow. By the time SAF retired we should have had a sporting director, a head of recruitment and a team of data analysts on board whether SAF liked that or not
b- the moment SAF retired the man jumped ship.
My opinion means little though. Its what the Glazers and INEOS think that count. It seems that they have an issue on who the CEO should be so a happy medium needs to be met. Gill had previously worked with the Glazers, he probably has SAF's support and his economics are very much in line to INEOS ethos.
I hope it is not Gill. He did very well for us but that United and the current one do not have much in common.
When Gill was out CEO our football department strategy was ‘do what SAF says’. For the last 11 years we have been doomed trying to keep that strategy against all odds. If he still thinks that we should have a God-Emperor manager, or even a strong managerial position, we are doomed again. We need to move to a head coach position as soon as possible.
When Gill was here, we did well financially but a) we were very a much an Empire at the height of its strength and b) Woodward and Arnold were in charge of the commercial departments. There is no Woodward and Arnold, and we are a fallen Empire.
We need new blood, not someone who is good when things are good. We need a revolutionary, not a has been.
When Gill was out CEO our football department strategy was ‘do what SAF says’. For the last 11 years we have been doomed trying to keep that strategy against all odds. If he still thinks that we should have a God-Emperor manager, or even a strong managerial position, we are doomed again. We need to move to a head coach position as soon as possible.
When Gill was here, we did well financially but a) we were very a much an Empire at the height of its strength and b) Woodward and Arnold were in charge of the commercial departments. There is no Woodward and Arnold, and we are a fallen Empire.
We need new blood, not someone who is good when things are good. We need a revolutionary, not a has been.
This has flattened the optimism a bit
So we having a CEO or nah?
Gil should be used as much as possible. Why would people not want this?
Gill would be a very, very poor choice of CEO. The club was stagnating long before SAF retired, in no small part due to Gill.
Why dont we have a renovated or new OT yet? This is taking way too long.
Ratcliffe out!!!
Ratcliffe out!!!
And you think he will just come in and continue where he left off 10 years ago?
The return of Ed Woodward
You said it yourself that they’re not in place officially yet as they need to do the first owner test thing first but the fact Blanc and Brailsford are openly attending United matches says they’ll be involved in some form even if it’s through Ineos rather than on the United payroll, if Gill is on the United payroll but Blanc and Brailsford are used through Ineos then it’s a clever move by Ratcliffe to get around certain rules and regulations.
I posted a while ago about too many cooks in the kitchen. One of the reasons was that I couldn’t see what role Blanc would be doing as a CEO… if he’s just negotiating transfers and only involved in football etc then it’s not really a CEO. And if he’s only involved in football then his ideas / opinions could conflict with with all the other people linked eg Answorth & Mitchell etc
Problem with Gill is he is also very stingy. At least Ed Woodward understood the commercial value of marquee players.. it’s just that he signed the wrong ones. Gill from my understanding refused Aguero due to the cost being too high.
Whatever the case I'm happy that they're looking to recruit the best in class football brains to run the show. That's all I care for now. Glazers or no glazers, I want to see a clear identity in our football and it looks like we're going to be building one.
What's there not be excited about?
Edwin Van Der Sar anyone?
Although he will have to undertake 70 lashes, one for each million he made United spend on Antony.
Although he will have to undertake 70 lashes, one for each million he made United spend on Antony.
Wasn't he hounded out of Ajax because of the terrible job he did there?
He used to be, or I guess he still is a fancy name for a potential role at the club, but I think we should steer clear.
I am struggling to think about internal appointment. If they were any good they would have been noticed a long time ago. External appointment makes more sense
Will get one but may not be Blanc now
Ineos have been clear that their role from now to the end of the season is a mostly observational one so perhaps many are reading too much into this. They should be taking a more hands on role as things progress but their initial role will be to understand what is currently happening around the club.
Then he will align perfectly to what the Glazers and Ineos want given our financial situation
Nope, i think he'll be worse
I believe that was the Glazer shackles beginning to peer through.
Gill always did what was best for the club or at least in the best way he could, in my opinion.
Ferguson had nothing but praise for David Gill. I'll go with the legendary football manager.
He also praised the Glazers.
And recommended Moyes
Just curious, why?
United was in a near impossible situation. They knew that SAF carried most of the football structure of the club by his own and that if he leaves then the whole structure would fall. The legend had done things the way he did since forever, he was in no mood to change his ways and at his age he could easily say 'feck it, I am retiring' if irked. I understand him more then others because the company I worked for was in a very similar situation.
Thus we were caught in a catch 22 system were the system needed huge restructuring but huge restructuring might be enough to persuade the only man whose holding it to show the finger and leave.
I still believe that Gill should have at least persuaded SAF to think about the club's future by letting new personnel come in. These people would have little to no impact on SAF's operations but could immediately take over once the man retired.
It would be such a United thing to look to the past for answers to our problems. It'd also be very disappointing. This club really needs a complete reset when it comes to the running of the footballing side, involving hiring people who are familiar and experienced with how successful clubs are being run in recent years, not how United used to be run when Ferguson was manager
So if Ratcliffe comes in and starts promoting a lot of youth into the team, similar to Fergie's Fledglings or Busby's babes, are they going to be called Racliffe's rats? This one bit worries me...
INEOS Infants?
Van Der Sar was CEO when Ajax suffered the biggest meltdown for the past 30 years. He had since suffered brain haemorrhage whom he's recovering from it. That might be down to stress. Do we really want to put someone's life in danger cause let's face it, United is a stressful place to work in.
Didn't know Ratcliffe was gonna replace Ten Hag as manager!
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