Let the campaign commence.
Thompson: "There are still going to be problems. It won't just ended with it being null and void. It's an extremely serious and unprecedented situation.
It would actually be very easy.
You're missing the point. It doesn't matter that only Man City can catch you. The fact is they can catch you. However unlikely, it could happen. Your comeback in Istanbul was unlikely, yet no one gets crowned the winners at half time do they? Probability doesn't matter. Only mathematics certainty matters. Now, it is very very unfair. But you simply can't go handing out titles based on odds and probability. No matter how likely. City would be well within their rights to sue the league, because it is possible they could win the title.A key difference is that after 5 games the team at the top of the league could be mathematically caught by every single team in the league, whereas after 29 games Liverpool are 25 points ahead of the only team that could catch them. Man City haven't won more than 4 league games in a row all season, so in all probability Man City wouldn't get 26 points from the remaining 30 and even if they did, Liverpool would get the 6 points they need from the remaining 27 available.
To suggest anything different to this is clutching at straws!
Even Klopp himself has been saying for weeks that the title race is not over yet, until its mathematically over
If this season is cancelled, it means this season never happened. So it would go off last seasons final table. We wouldn't' be in the CL next season.Let’s say they cancel this whole season. Does the top 4 still get the CL next season? So united will be in it too considering City is banned. IF that’s stays where it is.
Shite.If this season is cancelled, it means this season never happened. So it would go off last seasons final table. We wouldn't' be in the CL next season.
No. It would revert to last years standings id imagine. Which would be arsenal who finished 5thLet’s say they cancel this whole season. Does the top 4 still get the CL next season? So united will be in it too considering City is banned. IF that’s stays where it is.
Yep. If liverpool are crowned champions that means every other league position in every other league has to be final as well. Meaning promotion and relegations positions which would be total uproar.I think the issue is if you make Liverpool champions it opens up a huge fecking debate about promotion and relegation from surrounding leagues, as much as Liverpool have ran away with it this season if they are crowned champions at this stage, the teams currently in relegation and promotion spots would rightly kick up a massive fuss, probably even legal action if they were not promoted, its a huge can of worms, can genuinely see the season being voided for this reason alone.
But being 3-0 down at half time is not comparable!You're missing the point. It doesn't matter that only Man City can catch you. The fact is they can catch you. However unlikely, it could happen. Your comeback in Istanbul was unlikely, yet no one gets crowned the winners at half time do they? Probability doesn't matter. Only mathematics certainty matters. Now, it is very very unfair. But you simply can't go handing out titles based on odds and probability. No matter how likely. City would be well within their rights to sue the league, because it is possible they could win the title.
It's the fairest solution in my opinion in a situation where no result will be totally fair and acceptable for everyone. Whatever decision is made is going to piss off a lot of people.The reality is that with the 29 games suggestion, some will have been lucky with the fixtures and some won't, it's absurd and completely unfair to everyone fighting to get top 4 or avoiding relegation. Mental idea
So when it's a question of what should happen about the champions league spots incase of voiding the league, everyone says 'let UEFA decide' (essentially because there is no solution to that if you want to completely void the league) but when it comes to the league everyone thinks there should only be one solutionUefa is independent to the PL. My bet is they would take a ranking approach to see who should qualify for CL and who shouldn't.
You are missing the point though. After 28/29 games the only thing in the league that looks 100% certain is that Liverpool will win it because they are so far clear.I didn't know that assuptions and odds are valid in sports when you are deciding who wins what. . I understand how you Liverpool fans feel. First title in 30 years so emotions are high but use some common sense ffs. To suggest that league is played only for Liverpool is ridiculous. There are 19 clubs more involved in this league. And they are all affected with this. So everything used for Liverpool will be used for other clubs.
Are you mathematically champions? NO! So giving you a title would be based on assumption. Which creates domino effect. We ( United) can say then that we are in best form in league and we would catch 3rd place. Norwich can say that they have more points in last 5 games then lets say West Ham and that they need to avoid relegation. SU have game in hand and can say that they would 100% win that game and finish above United. Some other club will say that they played more away games than home games. Etc...etc...
League have 38 games. All games must be played. If not, league is not valid. Simple as that.
Yeah, it sucks. It is not fair. Life is not fair. You are morale winners and shit like that. But if league will not be finished you are not valid winners. Except for you ( Liverpool fans).
IF FA decides to use current standings i fully expect from us, Spurs, Su, Wolves, Arsenal and some other clubs to make appeal on court. Canceling whole season is only logical thing to do
I take it West Ham won't be getting any prize money or TV money for this season then and will be refunding all their season ticket holders if its null and void?https://www.skysports.com/football/...-its-not-finished-says-west-hams-karren-brady
I fully agree with this. Please make it happen.
It's not highly realistic, but given your recent form, it's not completely impossible that you did the ultimate bottle job. You've gone from being on course for a Treble winning, unbeaten season, to being convincingly knocked out of the FA Cup by Chelsea, tonked by Watford, and losing both legs of your CL tie against Atletico to be turfed out of that too.You are missing the point though. After 28/29 games the only thing in the league that looks 100% certain is that Liverpool will win it because they are so far clear.
There is no realistic argument that can be made to suggest that Liverpool wouldn't win the league now and you know it!
Everything else is up for debate. Its very close in the top four race and for relegation.
As far as I am concerned the best option is to wait until it is safe to start playing matches again (even if behind closed doors) and finish the season, however long it takes. Even if it causes a delay to the start of next season.
You really are clueless. It's you that's missing the point because you're blinded by the fact you're a Liverpool fan. I'm not sure what it is with pool fans and the inability to apply logic to anything.You are missing the point though. After 28/29 games the only thing in the league that looks 100% certain is that Liverpool will win it because they are so far clear.
There is no realistic argument that can be made to suggest that Liverpool wouldn't win the league now and you know it!
Everything else is up for debate. Its very close in the top four race and for relegation.
As far as I am concerned the best option is to wait until it is safe to start playing matches again (even if behind closed doors) and finish the season, however long it takes. Even if it causes a delay to the start of next season.
Thats how I see it too . They looked mentally and physically shot against Atletico and I reckon they would have lost to Everton on the monday which would have been a crushing blow as they never lose to Everton. As it is now we will never know as the break has given them time to recharge. I`m gutted as I honestly think it could have been the greatest bottle job ever.Does everyone here genuinely think Liverpool we’re going to win the league? It seemed obvious to me they were going to bottle it after recent form and injuries.
Now the league is cancelled and they get the league? feck that
They aren't champions
So you think Man City are going to win all ten of their remaining league games despite not having won more than 4 in a row all season and having lost 2 of their last 4?No matter how close Liverpool have come to winning it, you cannot award a competition to a team that has not actually won it, as that then sets a precedent for locking in every other position in the league pyramid.
The way I see it, the only actual obligations we have are to provide European spots, and UEFA will likely default to their own rankings to decide them anyway. Perhaps any team still remaining in a competition could be awarded a spot for next season if they wouldn't otherwise qualify.
Liverpool are the only team to have mathematically secured themselves a CL spot for next season, so that's the only thing we can lock in from this season's results.
No promotions. No relegations.
If next season has to be delayed a bit, scrap the League Cup, and possibly even the FA Cup depending on how long the delay is.
It's not highly realistic, but given your recent form, it's not completely impossible that you did the ultimate bottle job. You've gone from being on course for a Treble winning, unbeaten season, to being convincingly knocked out of the FA Cup by Chelsea, tonked by Watford, and losing both legs of your CL tie against Atletico to be turfed out of that too.
Your last four victories have all been by a single goal, and came via a late own-goal against League One Shrewsbury in an FA Cup replay, a late goal against a relegation scrapping Norwich, a late goal to come from behind against a relegation scrapping West Ham, and coming from behind against a relegation scrapping Bournemouth.
Your next game would have been against Everton, and I don't need to tell you how much they'd be up for at least delaying your title celebrations. After that you were supposed to have City, who again, are more than capable of beating you. That takes you from needing two wins in nine to two wins in seven, having lost three of your last four Premier League games. Your run in would then include Chelsea and Arsenal still fighting for Champions League places, and Brighton, Aston Villa and Newcastle who are all fighting to stay up. Hell, even Burnley and Crystal Palace would't be easy fixtures, with both equally as likely to steal a European spot as they are to get sucked into the relegation fight.
A gap of 6-8 points or so and with 2 Old Firm games remaining it would be up for grabs. A 10-point gap is probably insurmountable.at least you’re consistent. I’m the opposite, I think it should just all be voided without any official declaration of champions. Too many variables to be comfortable with an outcome that awards a domestic leagues grandest prize to the “would be” winners. Messes up 10 in a row aswell
No, I don't, but the point is that we can't say for certain that it wouldn't happen.So you think Man City are going to win all ten of their remaining league games despite not having won more than 4 in a row all season and having lost 2 of their last 4?
See it works both ways. Even if Liverpool lost all of their next 9 games (despite only losing 2 of their last 67+ league games) City are on course to get less than the 82 points Liverpool have locked in.
The main issue is that many of Liverpool fans (including you) are ignoring the cascading effect it'll have on the rest of the league. You can decide the league on basis of GW27 table, which would make Liverpool champions. But, it fecks over 5-6 clubs who were in a shout of finishing in CL/EL spots. You can even say there will be no relegation, but then how do you decide how many teams come up through championship? None, or Top 2? What would happen to those teams who would've played in play-offs? Or you change the rule in between and say only 2 teams would be promoted this season? Using an unfinished league as final tally will have an effect which trinkles down to several leagues below the PL.So you think Man City are going to win all ten of their remaining league games despite not having won more than 4 in a row all season and having lost 2 of their last 4?
See it works both ways. Even if Liverpool lost all of their next 9 games (despite only losing 2 of their last 67+ league games) City are on course to get less than the 82 points Liverpool have locked in.
My assumption would be probably not. And i am trying to take all my biases out of this as much as i can. I say probably not because they've obviously won it before so it's not as novel. There's also a "romanticism" about Liverpool wining it (hasten to add, i absolutely don't feel this way about it just to make that very clear) from media types as it hasn't happened for so fecking long. It's really quite pathetic. Out of all the possible ramifications that could happen if the football in this country is cancelled, this is much lower down the list.If it were Man city on the brink of winning the league title would the media be just as vocal?
Unless it's mathematically impossible that your league position will change, it doesn't really fecking matter as the season isn't 29 matches long, it's 38. It really doesn't matter, in any way whatsoever, that Leicester or Chelsea have done well to be in 3rd and 4th after 29 matches, when their remaining matches are difficult and they could both easily find themselves outside the top 4. The same goes for the bottom teams...."Nah, look here, we're well aware that you could've easily finished outside of relegation / inside the top 4, but you were there after 29 matches and we really want to give Liverpool the title"It's the fairest solution in my opinion in a situation where no result will be totally fair and acceptable for everyone. Whatever decision is made is going to piss off a lot of people.
From a United perspective, Sheffield could still lose/draw their game in hand and with City's CL ban coming in to effect it would mean CL football at 5th place. However, if Sheffield won that game you'd just have to hold your hand up and say we weren't good enough over the 29 games played. The fact that we've come into some good form now is unlucky but the situation in the world has drastically changed and we should have been better before this. It's the same principle for those in the relegation places. Everyone will have had an equal amount of games and It's not as if only 6 or 7 games have been played, we've played 3 quarters of the season. If you're in those relegation places you're there because you haven't done very well.
Obviously there will be an element of bad luck/good luck with the fixtures left but the teams can't argue too much with the league table as it stands. If they do then they should have done better. Again it's not fair but I don't see a situation that will please everyone.
They just cannot make arbitrary rules like that. We will either see the league resume at some point, completely cancelled and voided, or in the most controversial case every team in current position is treated as if they finished in that position. I just don’t see any other scenario playing out.I'm not averse to this idea (in the Telegraph) that every team in PL would retain their place, top two from the Championship promoted for a 22 team league next season with 5 relegated. As well as expanding the qualifiers for the CL to include more teams who are currently in a bit of a grey area, such as ourselves.
The least bad idea I've heard so far.
Oh, bloody hell. Are you fecking with us? If you are then ok, i can accept it. But if not then logic is not your biggest strength.So you think Man City are going to win all ten of their remaining league games despite not having won more than 4 in a row all season and having lost 2 of their last 4?
See it works both ways. Even if Liverpool lost all of their next 9 games (despite only losing 2 of their last 67+ league games) City are on course to get less than the 82 points Liverpool have locked in.