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put him there by accident. Neymar is too incosnistent after December.Neymar? He's had 1 good season come on.
put him there by accident. Neymar is too incosnistent after December.Neymar? He's had 1 good season come on.
Ronaldo is the opposite to the definition of clinical. Messi is clinical and chooses where to shoot. Ronaldo is more about power (80% power and 30 direction I'd say)Always amuses me when he's described as clinical.
Ah, right. OK. Sorry about that.I ve already answered to this. You didn't get it.
I am raising a question.
Can you say he is overhyped?
I say YES, in terms of how big a player he is. Comparing him to the great ones is nonsense.
Comparing him to really overhyped players, Denilson for example, is nonsense, too.
His longevity is superb, but he will never be a maestro with real balls.
I can read. it's complete nonsense.Do people even read the comments?
I am raising a question.
Can you say he is overhyped?
I say YES, in terms of how big a player he is. Comparing him to the great ones is nonsense.
Comparing him to really overhyped players, Denilson for example, is nonsense, too.
His longevity is superb, but he will never be a maestro with real balls.
I'd love to have seen the likes of Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo etc playing in that defensive period we saw around the early 00'sNeither coexisted with Messi - so there. If you put each of these players in a time period by themselves they would be comparably dominant.
Of course, football has changed, pace and stamina changed, but you can talk about trophies and of course the personality of a winner.Neither coexisted with Messi - so there. If you put each of these players in a time period by themselves they would be comparably dominant.
- Looks at Ronaldo thread
- Sees people saying Ronaldo is overrated
- Dies a little inside
I've got to HAND it to Maradona. He sure knew how to win World Cup's without cheating.Of course, football has changed, pace and stamina changed, but you can talk about trophies and of course the personality of a winner.
Maradona was the best in his period, not only because he was the best in terms of technique, but because he produced his best football when it mattered. That's what Ronaldo and Messi lack.
I can read. it's complete nonsense.
Ronaldo sure knows how to be a huge player. Dive, after dive, after dive, after dive.I've got to HAND it to Maradona. He sure knew how to win World Cup's without cheating.
Of course, football has changed, pace and stamina changed, but you can talk about trophies and of course the personality of a winner.
Maradona was the best in his period, not only because he was the best in terms of technique, but because he produced his best football when it mattered. That's what Ronaldo and Messi lack.
I reckon they'd all be comparably dominant irrespective of the era. The only thing that separates most of them is the misfortune of being compared to one another because they played at the same time.I'd love to have seen the likes of Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo etc playing in that defensive period we saw around the early 00's
So you agree that both have their flaws. Excellent.Ronaldo sure knows how to be a huge player. Dive, after dive, after dive, after dive.
Where do you go with this?
So winning all those league titles, CLs, other cups between them doesn't matter shit because they didn't win it on international stage?Of course, football has changed, pace and stamina changed, but you can talk about trophies and of course the personality of a winner.
Maradona was the best in his period, not only because he was the best in terms of technique, but because he produced his best football when it mattered. That's what Ronaldo and Messi lack.
I just read it again and laughed even harder.
How can you say if you don't read?
This isn't the RvN thread.He's a glorified poacher who excels at penalties and tap ins. To even compare him to Maradona is an insult.
So, you read it and you are insulting me, not the comment.I just read it again and laughed even harder.
There's a time & a place for this kind of sensible input & I don't think this is it.It is strange how the two standout players of this generation have not hit the heights of previous legends on the international stage.
Is it a case of the club teams being built around them (with the wealth of options selecting from different nationalities provide) or is it more a case of the waning importance the players put on internationals, compared to previous generations?
Would hate for it to be the latter but there is an argument towards it.
The best player of their generation is Iniesta. End of story.It is strange how the two standout players of this generation have not hit the heights of previous legends on the international stage.
Nope. You're posts are funny. Keep going I say.So, you read it and you are insulting me, not the comment.
Cowardish tactic. Lacks manliness.
He's up there with Maradona though. It's not unfair to Messi if people are saying he is better than him.So winning all those league titles, CLs, other cups between them doesn't matter shit because they didn't win it on international stage?
Here we fecking go again, same ol' same ol', type of shit like 'Is Messi better than Maradona' when he inevitably fails to win shit with Argentina.
It would have been interesting. We were crying out for it at the time (neutrals/spectators especially).I reckon they'd all be comparably dominant irrespective of the era. The only thing that separates most of them is the misfortune of being compared to one another because they played at the same time.
Now you're completely wumming.The best player of their generation is Iniesta. End of story.
It's a ridiculous argument.So winning all those league titles, CLs, other cups between them doesn't matter shit because they didn't win it on international stage?
Here we fecking go again, same ol' same ol', type of shit like 'Is Messi better than Maradona' when he inevitably fails to win shit with Argentina.
So winning all those league titles, CLs, other cups between them doesn't matter shit because they didn't win it on international stage?
Here we fecking go again, same ol' same ol', type of shit like 'Is Messi better than Maradona' when he inevitably fails to win shit with Argentina.
The best player of their generation is Iniesta. End of story.
You are welcome.Nope. You're posts are funny. Keep going I say.
ffsThe best player of their generation is Iniesta. End of story.
We'll try to be more manly for you.So, you read it and you are insulting me, not the comment.
Cowardish tactic. Lacks manliness.
I know, there're preferences and such, but I'm not adopting that shitty elitist-like attitude that there's no place for discussion because Maradona won with Argentina end of thread, one you can see redwar oozing with.He's up there with Maradona though. It's not unfair to Messi if people are saying he is better than him.
He's played some of the best football of any player to ever play the game.
You think you should?We'll try to be more manly for you.
Get off your fecking high horse, you're annoying.You think you should?
Don't you feel man enough by yourself? You want to show it to me?
No, thanks. Keep it for yourself and it will be obvious when you talk, write etc.
Good post. Its one of the few criticisms I've had of him over the years. If he could have blended his talent with being a bit more team oriented, he would have had even more success over the years.He'll go down as one of the greatest players ever and his goal scoring record is incredible but I don't recall ever seeing a player who plays for himself as much as he does. I know he contributes massively through large amounts of goals but there are plenty of times where he costs his team as well - not necessarily his penalty miss (which could happen to anyone) and actually thought he did OK tonight but the likes of insisting on shooting for 40+ yards on free kicks is just moronic. It's as if he thinks of personal contribution through goals only and could be a better player and captain if he learned when to play for the team and when to do it himself. Ego is important but I'd expect a player of his pedigree and experience to be better at controlling it for the sake of winning the game.
Probably harsh given his record but...
Football was not so commercialized back then. It was not viewed as much as a business. Today its all about the $$$. Too many games, and when the time comes for an international tournament, the top players are usually mentally and physically drained.It is strange how the two standout players of this generation have not hit the heights of previous legends on the international stage.
Is it a case of the club teams being built around them (with the wealth of options selecting from different nationalities provide) or is it more a case of the waning importance the players put on internationals, compared to previous generations?
Would hate for it to be the latter but there is an argument towards it.
That's all he does in games now. He's never the driving figure for his team. He's always on the periphery waiting to strike. That's why I call him a glorified poacher. It sounds harsh because we associate poachers with talentless guys who just score scrappy goals from a few yards out and he's obviously of a level way, way above that but his impact and what he brings is not too dissimilar at all.This isn't the RvN thread.