I'm not sure what some of this means but it's an impressive bit of venting
Danny Welbeck
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Kinda harsh
Couldn’t hit a barn door for us. Plays like prime R9 against us.
Seriously, how big a percentage of his Brighton goals have been against us?
In my defence I’m absolutely shitfacedI'm not sure what some of this means but it's an impressive bit of venting
That is a perfectly valid reason to be fair
You can tell he came up under Fergie compared to the other United academy players today who jog around out of possession.
So tired of how happy he looks to score against us, that coupled with how he forced through a move to arsenal of all clubs having come through our system since what the age of 7? I bet he rewatches his goals against us in his head to stay hard whilst he plows his missus. Dislikable little cnut.
I didn't want to sell him at the time and, despite the injuries, I still would've kept him. At the time, he was probably our best player under pressure (along with RvP in his prime) and could dribble. Two attributes we've been in desperate need of for so many years. Not to mention his workrate and nice link-up play with whoever he played with.
Yes, his goal scoring record was never good enough, but the attributes he did bring to the team outweighed that for me.
Yes, his goal scoring record was never good enough, but the attributes he did bring to the team outweighed that for me.
RvP in his prime wasn't our player.
Well, I meant in his prime for us, which was the first half of the 12/13 where he carried his 11/12 form over. I agree the majority of his prime was at Arsenal, but we got a little bit of it, too.
The best game in terms of keeping the ball under pressure from RvP for us was away to Madrid which was actually in the latter half of the season. I believe he missed a sitter or two that game but his general play was excellent. Along with Welbeck that game, too! Everyone else seemed to have stage fright.
United Fans before didn't understand welbeck. I supported him knowing that he is the type of striker that will do well in such a possession based fluid system. Unfortunately at United, we don't play such attractive football.
Not surprised that he is doing well at Brighton and also at Arsenal. Nicholas jackson of chelsea has very similiar profile to him
Not surprised that he is doing well at Brighton and also at Arsenal. Nicholas jackson of chelsea has very similiar profile to him
Always been an excellent player, if he had scored that type of goal more often he would still be at Utd and in the England squad. Has excellent technique, great physical attributes, proper team player.
We have never played that kind of football though.
That is one of the good things about Welbeck, he is a adaptable. His high level of technique and football IQ allows him to slot into most styles fairly easily. Never going to be the star or "the guy" that lots of fans want from attackers, but he helps the team work, which is why Fergie had so much faith in him.
That is true, but I think he shines in this style of football due to the things you mentioned.
We tend to ignore football IQ altogether.
Selling him to spend a fortune on a disastrous short term 'marquee' signing is the last 10 years in a nutshell.
All of the fans saying selling him was a mistake blah were probably calling for him to be sold.
Wonder if they also want Pereira back too
Wonder if they also want Pereira back too
I always wanted us to keep Welbeck and never rated Pereira even though I thought he had great technique.
It felt like Welbeck scooping the ball into Neuer's hand when he had that one on one against Bayern was the final straw for a lot of fans. He was never clinical enough, but the rest of his game was always great. Could never fault his effort. No doubt he'd be a better player to have in the squad over Martial at the moment, which says a lot about the way we nurture potential these days.
Was such a huge mistake selling him etc etc.
Except it wasn't.
And he's averaged about 5 goals a season in the decade since leaving. It's just sods law about 4 or 5 have been against us.
It happens. It doesn't for a second mean he'd be cutting it here still. Its like people have forgotten the threads ripping into him.
Except it wasn't.
And he's averaged about 5 goals a season in the decade since leaving. It's just sods law about 4 or 5 have been against us.
It happens. It doesn't for a second mean he'd be cutting it here still. Its like people have forgotten the threads ripping into him.
Seriously? What are you, twelve? That is such an odd thing to even think about articulating never mind posting.
Thinking selling that donkey was a mistake, holy shit, we basically pulled a scam getting w/e amount of mils. for him. Hope people trolling with mistake claim.Welbeck and Gross have an annoying habit of turning up against us, then going missing for the rest of the season.
I’m going to watch the replay of Rooney putting Welbeck clean through in that CL game against Bayern and him stupidly trying to chip Neuer on repeat to make me feel better.
I’m going to watch the replay of Rooney putting Welbeck clean through in that CL game against Bayern and him stupidly trying to chip Neuer on repeat to make me feel better.
He was an absolute donkey for us.
We all wanted him gone on here and rightly so.
We all wanted him gone on here and rightly so.
We all know that he would have been a better option than Wout and actually in our system of pressing from the front he’d be ideal as the experienced one.
It's not just them, we have an annoying lack of control in games. It happens far more often than in Fergies time when it was just the odd Danny Mills here and there.
For perspective, he has scored 25 goals on his last 5 seasons. The awful really bad terrible Martial has scored 54 at the same time.
So nope, he ain’t that great. Every striker bar Wout, who plays regularly, scores occasionally.
So nope, he ain’t that great. Every striker bar Wout, who plays regularly, scores occasionally.
Well yes, that is the issue of course. He has everything you could want out of a forward in terms of all round game, hold up play, tactical awareness and football IQ. However he has that huge weakness in his goal output, said earlier in the thread if he was even a 12-15 man a season he would have had a long career at top clubs.
People calling him a donkey are mad though, bad finisher and doesn't have the instinctive poachers feeling for where to be (that goal yesterday is the type of goal he hasn't scored near enough of) but he is a very good footballer.
For a striker, being allergic to goals is definitely a massive weakness. A bit like being shit at shotstopping if you are a goalkeeper.
I do not think that he is a donkey but he is also not a very good footballer. He is kinda mediocre
A goal roughly every 4 games, as a striker.
Yeah, we've definitely missed the 46 goals he's scored since leaving us 9 years ago.
Yeah, we've definitely missed the 46 goals he's scored since leaving us 9 years ago.
I’m sorry, but this simply isn’t true. Groß (along with Dunk) is our most consistent and reliable player. He rarely has a poor game and often has excellent ones. He has some of the best stats in world football for key metrics such as chances created, involvement in goals scored and pass progression.
As a STH who goes to every game home and away, I can assure you Groß is the first name on the team sheet (again, along with Dunk). He’s also our leading PL goal scorer.
Our striking options since we sold him have been a washed up Falcao and RVP, half a season of Ibrahimovic who couldn't run but was still solid, Martial who nothing more needs to be said about, and a few other washed up players in Cavani, Ighalo etc. He is a better presser than all of those players by a significant amount, he is also better at link up play than most of them as well. It was a mistake selling him when we did, and we clearly have had no long term answers since he left. Hojlund looks to be the first true striker who could be here for the long term and Welbeck left how long ago? Not sure why having a hard working team oriented academy player in the squad is to be laughed about given the attitude of a signifiant chunk of our other academy/English contingent at the club.
Welbeck has scored 20 goals for Brighton, in four season.
20 goals.
One of the most technically gifted players to have come from United, but my word he has never been a goalscorer.
20 goals.
One of the most technically gifted players to have come from United, but my word he has never been a goalscorer.
Welbeck was like Bamby on ice always falling on his arse, when Arsenal signed him Wenger was away in Japan and was actually quoted as saying ”if I had my way we would have taken him on loan”.
Not surprised he didn’t make it at Arsenal and moved to little Brighton, he was not good enough to be a United player or an Arsenal player but he has somehow managed to find his feet at Brighton.
Not surprised he didn’t make it at Arsenal and moved to little Brighton, he was not good enough to be a United player or an Arsenal player but he has somehow managed to find his feet at Brighton.
There is no universe where selling him was a mistake, absolute waste of space, all this he was better at this and that than X<Y<Z...yea bs and all this without even mentioning his goal ration and path after us, rather have a lamp post up front than him
Scoring aside, he was very good for us under Fergie.