David Ornstein: Man Utd want to keep Marcus Rashford | Consideration of sale if Rashford wants to take on a new challenge or a substantial bid arrives

[Snow]

It's polite way of saying he's for sale.

"Obviously we're not going to sell Marcus, he's an important player for us and a homegrown lad but we can't stop players from putting in a cheeky bid for him" *winkwink

 

[RuudTom83]

INEOS have the power to do what they like…I can see many different outcomes that would be positive.

Keeping Rashford isn’t a total disaster IF you sell a few of the other under-performers and tell him straight, another season like this one and he’s gone.

Would be an okay outcome, as long as the manager (whoever it is) gets the backing and support so he can drop him.

 

[Ubik]

Think INEOS have been listening a bit too much to the drama Queens on here and twitter.

Publicly announcing that your entire squad is despensible and irrelevant to you is a really, REALLY dumb thing to do.

It doesn't just affect the morale of pretty much every current player, but also warns anyone player with a single ounce of sense off wanting to join. You'd be better off staying at a Brighton or Fulham than joining a toxic environment at a club where you probably won't finish any higher and will face 50x the scrutiny.

We would also get relegated if we sold everyone except Garnacho, Mainoo and Hojlund, and would then have to sell them anyway. So the rest of the squad isn't for sale. So why come out and brief the fecking press that it is?

Why do we always end up with complete and utter fecking imbeciles in charge?

If anyone in the squad - which has put in two of the worst United seasons in recent history in the last three years - is surprised that they're on the chopping block if we get a good offer, then maybe that's why we stay so shit. They don't need to be the brightest spark to imagine maybe they aren't guaranteed a place here, particularly when they play terribly.

 

[dubplate warrior]

For me it's.

Garnacho, Mainoo, Bruno, Hojlund, Amad, Dalot and Onana that I would keep. Martinez if he can keep fit.

I'd agree with that.

 

[noodlehair]

If anyone in the squad - which has put in two of the worst United seasons in recent history in the last three years - is surprised that they're on the chopping block if we get a good offer, then maybe that's why we stay so shit. They don't need to be the brightest spark to imagine maybe they aren't guaranteed a place here, particularly when they play terribly.

You don't publicly announce that you think k your entire playing staff are so shite you want to get rid of them. Even if it's true, you don't do this. It's a nuclear option and nuclear options aren't great when the target is yourself.

Honestly don't at this point see why anyone has any optimism or faith at all in INEOS. At best this is incredibly dumb and at worst it's deliberately destructive.

You can sell players without publicly announcing you think they're all rubbish.

If you were selling a car you wouldn't advertise it as "still need it but it's a bit crap so open to offers"

 

[Theonas]

Think INEOS have been listening a bit too much to the drama Queens on here and twitter.

Publicly announcing that your entire squad is despensible and irrelevant to you is a really, REALLY dumb thing to do.

It doesn't just affect the morale of pretty much every current player, but also warns anyone player with a single ounce of sense off wanting to join. You'd be better off staying at a Brighton or Fulham than joining a toxic environment at a club where you probably won't finish any higher and will face 50x the scrutiny.

We would also get relegated if we sold everyone except Garnacho, Mainoo and Hojlund, and would then have to sell them anyway. So the rest of the squad isn't for sale. So why come out and brief the fecking press that it is?

They're not going to sell Bruno and keep Mctominay for example, just to raise enough money to sign someone worse thwn Bruno.

Why do we always end up with complete and utter fecking imbeciles in charge?

Is the report substantial enough for us to know it's coming from INEOS? If that's the case, I completely agree with you. I've been skeptical about this lot precisely for the way they've been playing to the gallery since they arrived. Too much talk and PR obsession.

 

[Judas]

At this point sadly it looks the best for all parties. It looks like he has more chance of finding form again somewhere else, and we need someone who is more reliable. It's a shame.

 

[Theonas]

If anyone in the squad - which has put in two of the worst United seasons in recent history in the last three years - is surprised that they're on the chopping block if we get a good offer, then maybe that's why we stay so shit. They don't need to be the brightest spark to imagine maybe they aren't guaranteed a place here, particularly when they play terribly.

A player or multiple players underperforming and the hierarchy feeling said player(s) are up for sale and the hierarchy briefing this piece of information to the media are two completely different things. Who does it serve to announce this to the world? What if we can't shift these players? How does it help you negotiate? It's a dumb move if it indeed is a briefing by INEOS that is. But of course these are not dumb people which leaves me to think it's the old pandering to the fans and getting some PR for being tough and ruthless or whatever which would be in line with how INEOS have been behaving since they came in.

 

[Rightnr]

Would be amazing to sack the manager and sell this guy. We might be serious but not until I see it happen.

 

[Ubik]

You don't publicly announce that you think k your entire playing staff are so shite you want to get rid of them. Even if it's true, you don't do this. It's a nuclear option and nuclear options aren't great when the target is yourself.

Honestly don't at this point see why anyone has any optimism or faith at all in INEOS. At best this is incredibly dumb and at worst it's deliberately destructive.

You can sell players without publicly announcing you think they're all rubbish.

If you were selling a car you wouldn't advertise it as "still need it but it's a bit crap so open to offers"

We're not scaring off Real Madrid here. Mid-table sides will still want our mid-table players. Those that wanted Aaron Wan-Bissaka and Lindelof last week are not going to have second thoughts because they think we're open to selling them. Saudi Arabian teams aren't going to look at Casemiro differently because they know we think his legs can't hack the premier league anymore.

I'm not sure what that car example is really achieving, given you're... listing it for sale publicly.

 

[Will Singh]

He’s up for sale but we ain’t going to just let him go for peanuts like we’ve done with players in the past. Well I hope that’s what is happening as keeping him will set us back hugely…!

 

[Jezpeza]

Apart from Onana, Dalot, Kambwala, Martinez, Mainoo, Bruno, Mount, Amad, Garnacho and Hojlund you may as well listen to offers for the lot because we need to build a team around the above I think and we wont be able to offload them all so we should just turn what doesnt sell into squad fodder and sign some well scouted players to fill a starting 11. I’d actually give Evans another year too so we can release Varane and sell Lindelof and Maguire

 

[groovyalbert]

I think it's the right time to sell Marcus. He looks like he's fed up here and keeping him around suits noone in the long run.

 

[Rightnr]

Absolutely not.

Someone get Boehly on the line.

Still young enough for a 7-year contract, great PR, popular in the US (someone pull out that tweets stat where he's only 2nd to LeBeon or whatever).

Can even do a special for him and get a real United fan in return with Palmer.

 

[simonhch]

Ineos are clearly shaping up for a massive clear out. Another article saying AWB, Casemiro, and Varane are all potentially Saudi bound. Hopefully for decent fees. That right there will pull in some dough, and crucially move on two of our highest earners at a point in their careers when they aren’t up to consistently contributing to the needed standard.

I think the message has been sent to the whole squad that no one is safe, except Mainoo, Garnacho and Hojlund; which are probably the only three you wouldn’t sell at this point. That alone is a collective kick up the arse.

Selling Rashford will raise a lot of money FFP wise, and this messaging basically says that we’d sell, but only for a really big offer. Which is the right message to send, not just to other clubs, but also to Rashford himself.

I’m quietly confident that Ineos are already working on several outgoing deals for the summer and are going to be pretty ruthless.

 

[El Jefe]

Think INEOS have been listening a bit too much to the drama Queens on here and twitter.

Publicly announcing that your entire squad is despensible and irrelevant to you is a really, REALLY dumb thing to do.

It doesn't just affect the morale of pretty much every current player, but also warns anyone player with a single ounce of sense off wanting to join. You'd be better off staying at a Brighton or Fulham than joining a toxic environment at a club where you probably won't finish any higher and will face 50x the scrutiny.

We would also get relegated if we sold everyone except Garnacho, Mainoo and Hojlund, and would then have to sell them anyway. So the rest of the squad isn't for sale. So why come out and brief the fecking press that it is?

They're not going to sell Bruno and keep Mctominay for example, just to raise enough money to sign someone worse thwn Bruno.

Why do we always end up with complete and utter fecking imbeciles in charge?

Quite the overreaction.

It’s pretty obvious that there’s a clear out expected. We’ve had a failing squad under a failing regime. INEOS were obviously going to want to rebuild the team.

It also signals a change within the club and is a boot up the ass for players that the days of having it comfortable over here are over. You could do the bare minimum here and get contract extension.

It’s also the absolute truth. Most of this squad aren’t good enough to be here. Who cares if it hurts their feelings.

 

[Remember the geese]

Think INEOS have been listening a bit too much to the drama Queens on here and twitter.

Publicly announcing that your entire squad is despensible and irrelevant to you is a really, REALLY dumb thing to do.

It doesn't just affect the morale of pretty much every current player, but also warns anyone player with a single ounce of sense off wanting to join. You'd be better off staying at a Brighton or Fulham than joining a toxic environment at a club where you probably won't finish any higher and will face 50x the scrutiny.

We would also get relegated if we sold everyone except Garnacho, Mainoo and Hojlund, and would then have to sell them anyway. So the rest of the squad isn't for sale. So why come out and brief the fecking press that it is?

They're not going to sell Bruno and keep Mctominay for example, just to raise enough money to sign someone worse thwn Bruno.

Why do we always end up with complete and utter fecking imbeciles in charge?

Strange post. I'm delighted that the majority of the squad are available for transfer. Sick of watching them.

 

[Joga Bonito]

Yeah, not a chance we look to turnover the personnel in the wing positions, unless they actively want to leave. People don’t want to hear it because he’s the scapegoat of the season, but he’s one of the top players in his position in European football. Maybe not the absolute very best, but right up there.

Like all players, to get the most out of him you surround him with complimentary players in a well structured system. For both Rashford and Garnacho to thrive that means full backs comfortable offering width and overlapping, as well as a centre forward who can link play and act as a fulcrum. If you want to get the most out of Garnacho, you are going to need the same sort of full back and same sort of centre forward. Sack Rashford off, don’t provide Garnacho with them, and you will be decrying the understudy’s lack of development in a year or two’s time too. He demands the same transfers to have the platform to perform.

It’s always worth reviewing the list of slam dunk upgrades on Rashford people have insisted upon on the forum over the years. The list is very, very ugly. Just look at who we have signed in his time at the club and who he has outperformed and seen off.

 

[wolvored]

Its probably to get the Saudis to bid £100 mill for him and cash in.I think Rashford would take £1 mill a week salary as well. Hes supposedly hitting his prime years, but playing shit.

 

[wolvored]

Varane's out of contract anyway, since the club has elected not to take up its option for another year. At least that's a positive sign. No "protecting the value" of a player no club would pay a transfer fee for anyway.

This alone gives me a lot of confidence e are moving in the right direction. No longer looked as an asset on a spreadsheet.

 

[klayton88]

He thinks he’s harshly treated here, good luck if he ends up at a team where match going fans demand success.

I'd love to see him end up at Madrid. He would then see just how patient United fans have been with him for years.

 

[Irwin99]

It’s also the absolute truth. Most of this squad aren’t good enough to be here. Who cares if it hurts their feelings.

Yeah, top 4 is gone, and other than the cup final-which should be motivation enough- i'm sure everyone connected with this season wants to see it go away. Going from 6th place to 3rd back to 6th or 7th place in three years is hardly the most encouraging platform to build on, despite the temptation to put all the blame on the managers.

 

[tentan]

Has to be one of the first to go

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

Rashford is becoming our Dele Alli. Need to sell him before he loses all value.

 

[criticalanalysis]

Bruno and Dalot yes. Onana, I don't think would be safe if a new manager with his own preferred style of keeper comes in.

A lot of managers nowadays prefer to build from the back and therefore opt for ball playing keepers.

Depending on whether the ball is being played to one's own team or opposition.

Onana's not a 'great' shot stopper but he's not bad at all and not to mention he's very good on the ball. So the question would be, what sort of style would the new manager want that would do away with Onana and there's an available 'better' keeper on the market? Last year it was Maignan but apparently his form has dipped this season.

Are there elite shot stoppers great at commanding their box even around? Oblak and Neuer perhaps but are on the decline and no longer spring chickens. Donnarumma, who was meant to be the next best thing, whilst still very young seems to be stuck on his line a lot and for such a big guy, doesn't use his frame that well.

 

[Raoul]

Onana's not a 'great' shot stopper but he's not bad at all and not to mention he's very good on the ball. So the question would be, what sort of style would the new manager want that would do away with Onana and there's an available 'better' keeper on the market? Last year it was Maignan but apparently his form has dipped this season.

Are there elite shot stoppers great at commanding their box even around? Oblak and Neuer perhaps but are on the decline and no longer spring chickens. Donnarumma, who was meant to be the next best thing, whilst still very young seems to be stuck on his line a lot and for such a big guy, doesn't use his frame that well.

The new manager would obviously know what they want from a keeper. Having someone who can play from the back may be less of a consideration than a world class shot stopper with good command of the box. Who that may be is up to them and the scouting department. It will be hard to make a case for Onana being our guaranteed #1 given how many goals we conceded this year, which is far more than we did last year with De Gea in steep decline.

 

[Reyoji-Utd]

Cough up the momey is the message. Everyone knows that maybe its the time for us all to start afresh. If we dont want him sold, the message would be a short no, hes not for sell.

 

[criticalanalysis]

The new manager would obviously know what they want from a keeper. Having someone who can play from the back may be less of a consideration than a world class shot stopper with good command of the box. Who that may be is up to them and the scouting department. It will be hard to make a case for Onana being our guaranteed #1 given how many goals we conceded this year, which is far more than we did last year with De Gea in steep decline.

That's my point, who? For what price and at what cost (not just the fee but the using of those transfer funds in place of other important areas)? The new manager may want but there may not be available and the club will probably not endorse it anyways. Unless there is a clear, clear, clear upgrade they are not going to give up on their new £40m+ signing unless we get to sell him and recuperate that i.e you're operating in big ifs.

The likelihood is that the club will pick a manager that would be happy with Onana because it's not like his skillset is that dramatically poor. For example, we're not asking the new manager to keep Lindelof as a first choice defender or something.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Oh its his contract renewal time already?

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

At his normal baseline level, he won't start for any top clubs. When on form maybe a few months a season. Toomany things have to work well for him to be half usefull. Is he a winger? He doesnt create much. Is he forward? He doesnt score much. Too many ups and downs with this guy. Its been a decade.

 

[Insanity]

Tell the world we want to sell him without telling the world we want to sell him.

It would be sad to see him go. He has given us some wonderful moments in the last XI years of a shit show. However, if he is not happy here it would be best for both parties to part ways as long as he gets us a 80m-100m Euros payday.

Come on PSG, show us the money!

 

[TMDaines]

The new manager would obviously know what they want from a keeper. Having someone who can play from the back may be less of a consideration than a world class shot stopper with good command of the box. Who that may be is up to them and the scouting department. It will be hard to make a case for Onana being our guaranteed #1 given how many goals we conceded this year, which is far more than we did last year with De Gea in steep decline.

Hard disagree. This is a good example of something that a manager simply should not be dictating in the new structure.

 

[Escobar]

Strong message to all the players: you either perform and make yourself unsellable or you are gone. Might give a kick up their butts and if not, no loss if they are gone

 

[Escobar]

Tell the world we want to sell him without telling the world we want to sell him.

It would be sad to see him go. He has given us some wonderful moments in the last XI years of a shit show. However, if he is not happy here it would be best for both parties to part ways as long as he gets us a 80m-100m Euros payday.

Come on PSG, show us the money!

That kind of thinking is the reason we are shit. No standards anymore, only sentiments. Ffs Fergie even sold Becks who was 10 times the player Rashford is. And that is why we were successful a long time ago

 

[Cloud7]

Maybe I'm simple minded but I interpreted this as the club making it known that they are open to selling him. If United were keen to keep Rashford at all costs, then I think the club say nothing. He has years on his contract and is on a wage that only a handful of teams can match. If there's no interest in selling him then we say nothing, and there's no speculation. However releasing this story, which seems like a brief, means the opposite for me.

 

[Rojofiam]

The new manager would obviously know what they want from a keeper. Having someone who can play from the back may be less of a consideration than a world class shot stopper with good command of the box. Who that may be is up to them and the scouting department. It will be hard to make a case for Onana being our guaranteed #1 given how many goals we conceded this year, which is far more than we did last year with De Gea in steep decline.

I can guarantee you that won't be the case. Every worthy manager will prefer a technical goalkeeper to a world class shot stopper these days, as it should be the case. Unless we can someone who's world class at both, Onana isn't getting binned.

Also, you do realize Onana has had to face way more shots this season, than De Gea last year?

 

[Leethal]

Can’t stand the lazy twat. Which is a shame, as when he first broke through he was electric and I had high hopes for him.

I genuinely hope we get rid. Keeping him around just breeds toxicity in the dressing room, as he gets away with dire performance after dire performance, yet is untouchable.

 

[Insanity]

That kind of thinking is the reason we are shit. No standards anymore, only sentiments. Ffs Fergie even sold Becks who was 10 times the player Rashford is. And that is why we were successful a long time ago

My bad, Pablo. Miss the good'ol days, huh? Back in the day you could just shoot people but now you have to trawl message boards to shoot nonsense at other people.

Lo siento, Señor. I'll try to un-enjoy his debut goals against Arsenal or that goal against PSG or the goal last season against City, and many more over the last 6-7 years.

 

[Lentwood]

How we deal with the likes of Rashford is the litmus test for how serious INEOS are about turning our club around.

If they want to go down the sponsor-please, journalist pandering path Woodward and Arnold pursued, then stick with underperforming, selfish lads like Rashford.

If they want to get serious and build a squad of hard-working, tenacious and skillful players then he should be nowhere near the club.

 

[Slevs]

He thinks he’s harshly treated here, good luck if he ends up at a team where match going fans demand success.

or effort