4 and 5 are a bit harsh to be called mistakes. He could have done better, and a peak De Gea (or some other great keeper) likely would have defended them, but definitely they aren't mistakes.
The others were bad, no excuses for any of those.
4 and 5 are a bit harsh to be called mistakes. He could have done better, and a peak De Gea (or some other great keeper) likely would have defended them, but definitely they aren't mistakes.
He wasnt offered massive wages in 2016? He was on 200k a week, he already was the highest paid GK in the world, dont let the 300K he is on today make you think that 200K is a low quantity.‘My point about the loyal isn’t being an actual loyal thick and through but he didn’t just go for free when he actually could like other players. Whatever definition you want to call it, I expect you to be smart enough to understand it. If he leaves for free the club will be in disadvantage to lose such a keeper without having a refund to get for replacement.
He wasn’t offered a massive wages when he signed a new contract in 2016. You were talking about Eriksen & Sanchez who asked for ridiculous contract if their choice is to stay, different to DDG. DDG got an improved contract because that’s how a new contract works.
All I said was if we are playing error prone GK, it should be Henderson.When people are suggesting we drop De Gea for Romero in the last two PL games yes I think it’s reactionary.
If you want a GK who is good with their feet and distribution De Gea is better than Henderson in that metric. Your arguing against what you claim to want by making that change.
How many errors has Henderson made this season? Under less pressure with less scrutiny. Lots.
I like Henderson and would love him to be the successor to De Gea but the solution isn’t throw him in at the deep end and chuck De Gea.
There is no difference in the points you gain/lose in the scenario. It doesn’t matter what level of football it’s 3 for a win 1 for a draw 0 for a loss.Your logic doesn't work on professional top level, that's why I mentioned Sunday League.
You are only reading what I wrote without understanding them. This is the issue about having discussion with you, you need to be explained to every single tiny detail. I got no time to explain the bold mark, I think you are smart enough to understand it.
If you understand the difference between striker & keeper then you shouldn't be comparing them. Not complex, never compare something that is different.
Why do you think people remember Andy Cole United goals more than his United missed but people remember Tim Howard United mistakes more than his United saves? That should give you clear idea.
Scoring a goal also affects morale it improves it just as much as conceded dents it.I get your point, a striker missing a sitter and a GK gifting a goal both equality have the same impact theorically. But in reality it doesnt work that way, missing a sitter even though it affects the result equally it doesnt affect the morale of the team the same way.
Strikers and keepers are not judged with the same stick, a striker can miss 1 or 2 sitters in game and score and will be evaluated as having a good match. A keeper can save 3 amazing shots and gift a goal and will be judged as having an awful performances.
A keeper cant make mistakes, its harder to make a goal that to defend it thats why is punished a lot more if you gift your opponent one rather than missing one yourself.
So De Gea has made 3 mistakes and saved 91.All I said was if we are playing error prone GK, it should be Henderson.
Also, please refer to this: https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/error_lead_to_goal
I actually thought Maguires face for the goals painted a picture that he had really given up on him. Thought I was reading into a bit, but might be the case...Paul Hirst in The Times is reporting that some United players are concerned with the amount of mistakes De Gea has made in the last 2 years. And even Sergio Romero was annoyed at not being given the chance to play the Cup game. Hirst also says that Romero could start at West Ham. Hirst also says that De Gea has been poor in some training sessions too.
I think he has to drop him if the players in the team have lost faith in him which is damning.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...er-string-of-errors-by-david-de-gea-m9tk6jmk2
I think Ole will have to if the players have lost faith him in him as reported by Paul Hirst.Play Romero till the end of the season.
Yup, can't be good to our aim which is the top 4 spot.I think Ole will have to if the players have lost faith him in him as reported by Paul Hirst.
Solskjaer can't play him if Hirst is correct because that will set a very bad precedent.I actually thought Maguires face for the goals painted a picture that he had really given up on him. Thought I was reading into a bit, but might be the case...
I think this is a good point. Yes, De Gea has had a handful of blunders in recent times. On the other hand, many of us take many of his saves for granted.Henderson tonight for example let in a shot that De Gea is well accustomed to dealing with yet it would be entirely unfair to say he’s not good based on that expectation.
I'm speaking about general. Not every team playing with 1 striker.There is no difference in the points you gain/lose in the scenario. It doesn’t matter what level of football it’s 3 for a win 1 for a draw 0 for a loss.
I understand I just disagree. And I believe you should be clear if you claim we only have more than one striker that isn’t true. I shouldn’t have to help you make your points.
You can understand the difference and still compare how their roles impact points gained or lost. I of course do not believe they are the same but the effect is similar enough.
I understand what you are saying about some people remembering misses more than saves but honestly I remember far more of DeGeas saves than his errors? Maybe it’s a mentality difference between us?
Regardless none of that is relevant to the point I was making. That De Gea should be given a chance to rectify his mistakes in the last game in the same way a striker gets another chance to score.
What stats was that, mate? Just curious.Fans reacting negatively to two full seasons of awful performances, starting with what was statistically the worst ever performance by a goalkeeper in world cup history, is hardly knee-jerk.
Yeah, just read the article. That would be a bold move. The rumours about Alavarez seem to be confounded with that as well, with the training sessions being poor.Solskjaer can't play him if Hirst is correct because that will set a very bad precedent.
Poor in training matches too is taking the piss.Yeah, just read the article. That would be a bold move. The rumours about Alavarez seem to be confounded with that as well, with the training sessions being poor.
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Yeah, I was a bit torn to have a go at Lindelof for the first, because it's a clever and well timed run and physically Giroud uses his body well against most defenders. Just more a concentration issue so late in the half.Poor in training matches too is taking the piss.
This reaction by the coaching staff was likely at both Lindelof and De Gea after Chelsea's opener.
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I also see lots of people wanting a modern GK sweeper keeper etc which Henderson is not.I think this is a good point. Yes, De Gea has had a handful of blunders in recent times. On the other hand, many of us take many of his saves for granted.
I‘m not convinced that Henderson will be as good for us as many seem to hope. Nobody criticised him for the conceded goal mentioned above, yet if De Gea had conceded it the Caf would be livid.
Most teams play single striker systems now in top leagues.I'm speaking about general. Not every team playing with 1 striker.
Again, you are only reading what I post not understanding the point. The point is not about what you remember. The point was to tell you that the view on striker & keeper are different, your logic by comparing them just doesn't work. You can defend whatever you want but I don't see it right to use striker as comparison.
I don’t believe there is any significant difference and honestly though unpopular I think people will be disappointed if they believe he’s “modern”.For those who have seen Henderson a lot over this season (and even before), do you think there's actually much between him and DDG? I thought Henderson is prone to too many howlers too. When I watch him he does seem solid enough otherwise, but I do think he looks a tad stocky, and maybe it's just me but he looks slow on the dive for low shots. One example was Leicester's goal against him where the ball sort of went under him as he tried to dive for it.
Watching this makes me sad to be honest. It feels like only yesterday David was the world's best keeper and we were watching compilations of amazing saves; now we're watching compilations of terrible mistakes.
That doesn't help anyone as far as I'm concerned. It would get in the way of the flow of Henderson's career, and likely deprive us of a potentially top goalkeeper.Personally i would let Romero go and bring Henderson in as DeGea's back-up for a year or two to see how he gets on.
All keepers make errors and let in saveable shots. The best measure is to look at a keepers PSxG-GA over the course of the season which indicates how a keeper has fared against all attempts compared to the average of his peers.Some here will get reality check when Henderson start making GK errors. Nobody notices mistake when you play for Sheffield United. De Gea has been pretty much keeping us in Top half of the table for last seven years. This narrative that he has been horrible for last 2 years is just not true.
Quite conveniently "he has been poor in training session" articles are coming up after he had a bad game.
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I'd say De Gea, not Henderson, is the question. Whether Henderson is the answer though remains to be seen.Some here will get reality check when Henderson start making GK errors. Nobody notices mistake when you play for Sheffield United. De Gea has been pretty much keeping us in Top half of the table for last seven years. This narrative that he has been horrible for last 2 years is just not true.
Quite conveniently "he has been poor in training session" articles are coming up after he had a bad game.
Whether Henderson is good enough is irrelevant because the club will give him a chance. If he isn't good enough he'll be easily moved on and we'll likely get a decent transfer fee. I personally voted for 'bring someone new in' but the quicker we get Henderson in the better because De Gea isn't the answer.Some here will get reality check when Henderson start making GK errors. Nobody notices mistake when you play for Sheffield United. De Gea has been pretty much keeping us in Top half of the table for last seven years. This narrative that he has been horrible for last 2 years is just not true.
Quite conveniently "he has been poor in training session" articles are coming up after he had a bad game.
For the last 2 years he has cost us positions in the table rather than kept us higher than we should beSome here will get reality check when Henderson start making GK errors. Nobody notices mistake when you play for Sheffield United. De Gea has been pretty much keeping us in Top half of the table for last seven years. This narrative that he has been horrible for last 2 years is just not true.
Quite conveniently "he has been poor in training session" articles are coming up after he had a bad game.
Dean Henderson believes that he is good enough to displace David De Gea as Manchester United’s No 1 next season, but he will seek another loan move unless he receives assurances that he will have a serious chance of being first choice at Old Trafford.
De Gea’s place in Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s team has been brought into question again after he let Mason Mount’s shot squirm through his hands in United’s 3-1 FA Cup semi-final defeat by Chelsea — the latest in a string of costly blunders.
Solskjaer could replace De Gea, 29, with Sergio Romero for tomorrow’s crucial match at home to West Ham United but, in the longer term, Henderson, 23, is convinced that he can displace De Gea as Solskjaer’s first-choice goalkeeper next season after enjoying a successful second year on loan with Sheffield United.
It is understood that the England Under-21 international is willing to return to Old Trafford next season, but only if Solskjaer suggests that he will have a chance of being No 1. If not, the academy graduate, who is expected to be called up to the senior England squad in September, will seek a loan move elsewhere.
Sheffield United want Henderson back next season but he may seek a loan move to a bigger club if a suitable offer comes along.
Henderson is also believed to be in talks with United over a new and improved deal. His present contract, which he signed 12 months ago, expires in two years’ time and is worth £35,000 a week. He is after a bigger deal worth about £100,000 a week after his form at Bramall Lane has enhanced his reputation. De Gea signed a new four-year contract worth £375,000 a week last September.
Henderson is regarded as one of the best English goalkeepers in the Premier League alongside Nick Pope, of Burnley, and Gareth Southgate’s No 1, Jordan Pickford, who has struggled at times this season for Everton.
De Gea’s form is a source of concern for Solskjaer and his squad. It is understood that some United players are worried about the fact that De Gea has made several costly mistakes over the past two years. This season alone the Spain international has been culpable for conceding soft goals against Tottenham Hotspur, Everton and Watford.
In some training sessions this season, his performances have not been up to scratch either, according to sources.
Solskjaer’s decision to start De Gea ahead of Romero annoyed the 33-year-old, who had played in each of United’s FA Cup games until last weekend. Romero, who joined United on a free transfer in 2015 and has won 96 caps for Argentina, is arguably the best back-up goalkeeper in the Premier League. He has kept 38 clean sheets in his 59 appearances for the club.
Solskjaer will need an assured performance from whoever he picks in goal tomorrow. A win would lift United above fourth-placed Leicester City, whom they play in the final game of the season on Sunday. Chelsea, who are one point and one place above Leicester, take on Liverpool tomorrow before facing Wolverhampton Wanderers in their final match.
Eric Bailly, meanwhile, has thanked the supporters who wished him well after he suffered a head injury in an aerial collision with Harry Maguire, his team-mate, on Sunday. The 26-year-old United centre back was taken to hospital but was released on Sunday night.
“I am OK,” he wrote on Twitter. “It was just a scare. I feel the pain of yesterday’s defeat even more. But we have to get back up and refocus on the two big games we have this week.”
Well personally i'm not 100% convinced about Henderson yet, so i'd rather transition between DeGea and Henderson. With Henderson hopefully becoming a top keeper and replacing DeGea while being his back-up in .the mean time. Instead of booting out one of our best ever goalkeepers in the blind hope that Henderson is the real deal.That doesn't help anyone as far as I'm concerned. It would get in the way of the flow of Henderson's career, and likely deprive us of a potentially top goalkeeper.
Romero himself has been a good number two, and deserves to stay at the club if he wants to.
De Gea I imagine would be better off moving on than having a talent like Henderson bang on his heels. The goalkeeping position is not really one for competitions.
Dean Henderson.Nobody has answered this yet so what type of goalkeeper do you want?
And which player in the PL for example do you think has all the skills we want?
So what skills do you believe Henderson has that fits what we need? More so than what De Gea can offer.Dean Henderson.
Agreed but we can’t just keep De Gea because he’s on a big wage or this team will go nowhere.If it wasn't for his ridiculous contract it would be an easy decision to be looking for a new keeper whether it's Henderson or someone else. It's another Sanchez situation.
He is good on the line. Excellent with his feet and is rushing out well. Would be like an upgrade on Romero.Anybody thought about Onana? Been doing great last few years for Ajax, is strong with his feet and wants to make a move and is available relatively cheap at £35m