Talk in Portugal is that we'll be using him as a RW so yeah, that means we'd still see Valencia regardless.
Diogo Dalot | Done Deal | Speaks better English than Valencia
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Ohh, great, thank you for the reply.
Its' not as simple as that.
Jose does buy young defenders. But he hardly ever buys youthful players for attacking positions like the wings. He will never buy a Sane or Sterling or Martial and go for 29-32 year olds in the key attacking positions. Exception is Lukaku who had experience prior to joining United.
Atleast, he should buy wingers in the 25-28 bracket. Sufficiently experienced and young enough to give us a few years.
The caf's overall knowledge of football players outside of current flavour of the months is generally pretty terrible and shouldn't really be used as a benchmark of "if the caf doesn't know him he can't be that good"
Is that true? I thought that was just a case of lost in translation.
Why not? I think we can take the gamble. There is no guarantee that Sidibe will come in and be successful as well, given that he is from a different league and all. For me, it is either getting Sidibe OR Dalot, and I would prefer to take the 2nd option so that we can focus on immediately improving more pressing areas in our side.
Can’t wait to line up first game next season with Valencia and young as fullbacks again 
I could be wrong then, I haven't seen any reports about lost in translation.
This thread was fun for a while. Oh well.
I don’t understand your question.
You’re mixing things up here. We’re talking about his potential now, not Caf poster’s excitement. I never said that everyone has to be excited, in fact it’s completely understandable that most posters aren’t excited because they don’t know much about the kid. I said that the reason why some, including myself, are excited is that he’s extremely talented and it has nothing to do with dethroning Valencia this coming season, but more to do with the future. That reasoning should also be easy to understand for those who aren’t excited about him.
And then we started talking about his potential. I said that his potential isn’t measured by how much the Caf knew about him.
It's a gamble we can't afford to take because we will sell Darmien and rely on a 33 year old going into next season. We need established quality in the full back role and Dalot is not that.
I'm certain the caf would have thought different. Sidibe vs Dalot and 99% would have voted the former because no one knew the latter. All of a sudden Dalot is the one we should have always gone for and our scouts are genius. I don't buy it. He may well be a top player but he isn't a top player yet.
He's been highly rated by other clubs prior to this as well.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/what-diogo-dalot-said-real-12618888
https://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/nap...om-porto-his-agent-will-be-in-italy-next-week
Concerns over whether or not he can or will be able to step in for Valencia immediately are fair, but this isn't some kid who we're plucking from obscurity. He's been a highly rated talent for awhile, whether or not me, you and the rest of the Caf was aware.
is that strictly true? he purchased, Robben, SWP, Salah, Di Maria, Quaresma, Schurrle as wingers for decent amounts when they were all u23
You're saying he's world class because there aren't many other young full backs who are as good?
But to play your game, Semundo, Kimmich, Pereira, Trent Alexander Arnold are all examples of world class potential (some are arguably already world class). All of whom are in pretty much the same generation, i.e only 3ish years between them and Dalot.
Is dalot as good? Maybe. But are we jumping the gun by throwing him into that list from 7 apps? Definately.
Of course, not always true. We are talking about now. Jose feels pressure to deliver the title and has been criticized despite finishing 2nd. Hence his desperation to get in proven warriors.
Erm no, I was talking about the caf's posters excitement. Its funny, the people who arent excited are fine not being excited but the people who are excited are moaning about others not being excited.
I'm not excited about this transfer, I can't be as I know nowt of the player...but who knows, maybe that's a good thing
Big clubs watch such a massive pool of talent. Not every player scouted by a big club ends up being great. In fact hardly any of them do.
Are you really comparing a 19 year-old with a bunch of 24 year-olds?
Yeah I can see where you're coming from now
No actually, I suggest you go back and read my first post again. It’s the complete opposite.
This would be a pretty interesting signing - assuming he's going to play RB - as it's pretty clear that Valencia needs, at the very least, someone to come in and play quite a few games to lighten his load. This guy has been a first team player for a matter of months and, like every young player, is probably going to have dips in form here and there, even if he manages to settle and prove himself to be of a standard to be in the first team.
From the outside it doesn't look like our options at RB, in the short term, will be any better than they were this season, when it was widely acknowledged that we probably needed to improve in that area. Maybe we'll bring back TFM to rotate across a few positions and allow Dalot to ease his way into the side over time, but as things stand, I think we may still have a few issues at right back, which I find a bit surprising, as Mourinho will be under a bit more pressure this season.
From the outside it doesn't look like our options at RB, in the short term, will be any better than they were this season, when it was widely acknowledged that we probably needed to improve in that area. Maybe we'll bring back TFM to rotate across a few positions and allow Dalot to ease his way into the side over time, but as things stand, I think we may still have a few issues at right back, which I find a bit surprising, as Mourinho will be under a bit more pressure this season.
I am sure that Jose and his team have done their homework on this and have come to a conclusion that Dalot will better suit the team and will even likely to be a better player than Sidibe is at the moment. Of course if you were to ask that question to the Caf before the news came out, most of us, myself included, would have picked Sidibe. But taking a step back and looking at the transfer now, I think we have to trust the decision that Jose and his team have made with regards to Dalot's present level and the potential that he has to maybe become a world-class right back. Porto sold Pereira cause they thought they had Dalot as a more than capable replacement for him at RB - that's quite a statement of trust in his abilities for me as well.
You didn't really expect anyone to bother with comparing a 19 year old to other 19 year olds did you?
No one is in a position to say a 19 year old is potential world class when he's barely played. If you want to compare his level with actual potential world class talented, you move up a few years. All my examples are below 25.
Semundo was 21 and part of the Benfica side winning back to back titles. TAA is a regular for Liverpool and he's 20. Joshua Kimmich was a regular for Leipzig at 20 before moving to Bayern and being a permanent starter there at just 22.
These are potential world class talent because they've made shit loads of appearances and proved they can hack it. Throwing Dalot into that mix is jumping the gun and unfair on him too. He's a guy who did well in 7 apps and now has to face some sort of crazy expectations from sections of our fans.
Please, it's Semedo.
I don't think there are crazy expectations. We all hope that he will come good, and I am sure that Jose will ease him into the first team RB role as the season goes by. Did we place crazy expectations on Rafael when he joined us?
I would assume that this player has been watched many times by our scout. I am sure that Mourinho has checked him out also, which is why we want to sign him up quickly before some of the big clubs come hunting. The clause comes into force today 1st June.
Trent Alexander Arnold is world class or has world class potential? I know there is a lack of top quality full backs but my god he's far from world class potential.
So this isnt you judging RS for not being excited about the transfer?
You seem to think one or two years in football is nothing. And yes, I was expecting a comparison with players of similar ages. There’s a reason I said “potential” and obviously didn’t say he was world-class now. Each age-group has certain talents that stand out, you can’t just divide footballers into u-25 and over 25.
Dalot would have been a starter next season for Porto if he was staying and everyone knows that. A title-winning Porto I might add, while Sporting and Benfica look in limbo. It isn’t a stretch to say that Porto look favourites to be title-winners again next season, in which case, surprise, the kid is 20 and is well on his way to having an extremely similar career trajectory to your Semedo example. This is what I mean when I say a year or two in football does make a difference.
Also, I don’t have crazy expectations for him next season, nor the season after, but at the same time I wouldn’t be surprised if he nails down a starting place by the start of the season after next.
Who is expecting something crazy from the start? I have seen few people suggesting he's going to come in and do the business immediately. He's a young talent who seems highly rated by many outside observers and whom Porto felt comfortable enough about to sell Pereira to Leicester. In a year or two it's expected he take over from Valencia instead of deputizing for him. I don't think those are crazy expectations.
Did you read the post I was replying to?
Doesn’t look like it’s me who’s doing the judging for being excited.
Please, it's Semedo.
sorry. I accepted the wrong spelling on touchwiz too so I'm worried it will just autocorrect from here on to the wrong spelling.Trent Alexander Arnold has been extremely good for Liverpool this season.
But for those at 23, I've shown what these players were doing 2 to 3 seasons ago to show how their consistency warranted them the title. E.g Kimmich at 20 made like 50 apps for RB Leipzig before standing out at Bayern.
1 or 2 years is nothing though. You compare potential world class talents across age brackets rather than the exact age.
If a player is "potentially world class" it implies expectations would be big for them when they join a big club. If there isn't much expectation maybe they aren't potentially that level, or they haven't shown consistently enough to suggest the hype (I think the latter is the case here).
Our last "established RB" purchase was Darmian, and he did not work out that well too. He was a regular for Torino, was highly-regarded in Italy and was Italy's first choice RB for a while. Those were different times back them, and I am sure Jose and his team have had a long, hard look at our RB options over the past year or more. He may be labelled as a "boring" manager, but his defensive purchases are usually astute and he is not so dumb as to not realise he cannot count on Valencia much longer.
This is getting stupid so its going to be my last post on the matter but he literally said he will stay quiet and fake enthusiasm rather than telling people how to react which is what you are doing.
Looking at the market, I think getting a young player is the right approach, considering we need to spend elsewhere. World class RBs like Kimmich and Carvajal seem unattainable, PL RBs outside the top 6, like Coleman or Cedric seem too expensive compared to their quality, and taking a punt on a 25 year old who's not yet at an absolute top club, like Florenzi, may result in a new Evra, but is just as likely to turn into the next Darmian.
At least with a young player, he can adapt to the league, the club and his team mates, before he's expected to deliver world-class performances on a regular basis.
At least with a young player, he can adapt to the league, the club and his team mates, before he's expected to deliver world-class performances on a regular basis.
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I don't claim to be in the know or anything but a friend of a friend works at a medical clinic in Manchester where various players take medicals/scans etc, he said almost 2 weeks ago that United sent Dalot and there was a slight issue with his knee. Nothing to stop the deal or anything major but that's what i was told.
I cant verify 100% because he's not a personal friend but i know hes pretty legit having seeing pictures of him with a few different footballers and runners.
I cant verify 100% because he's not a personal friend but i know hes pretty legit having seeing pictures of him with a few different footballers and runners.
Or maybe I expect him to be world class a couple of years down the line?
Trent Alexander Arnold has been extremely good for Liverpool this season.
But for those at 23, I've shown what these players were doing 2 to 3 seasons ago to show how their consistency warranted them the title. E.g Kimmich at 20 made like 50 apps for RB Leipzig before standing out at Bayern.
1 or 2 years is nothing though. You compare potential world class talents across age brackets rather than the exact age.
If a player is "potentially world class" it implies expectations would be big for them when they join a big club. If there isn't much expectation maybe they aren't potentially that level, or they haven't shown consistently enough to suggest the hype (I think the latter is the case here).
I never told people how to react. I said he seemed extremely upset about it. I didn’t tell him to be excited. I actually said in a post after that it was understandable that people weren’t excited, because they didn’t know much about Dalot. That’s quite different to being opposed to a transfer and implying that the kid isn’t talented enough. Have a good day though.
IF true, this is not unexpected as he had a meniscus injury at the end of last season.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/manchester-uniteds-new-signing-recover-knee-injury-england/
When's he going to sign on Dalotted line?
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