It would be quite hilarious for us to lose to City today and then City end up bottling it later.
This is such a terrible mentality. Like a small club saying we are probably not going to win the cup so let's just get knocked out in the first round.
Next season we might as well give points to Spurs and Chelsea if they are ahead of us since the odds of them stopping Liverpool is higher if we can't win the league and champions league don't matter.
Not really, most fans are not bothered by this one game, because of the possible further implications it could have for them personally if Liverpool win the league after so many years, which is perfectly understandable if you ask me. That doesn't make them not Manchester United fans. We want the team to give everything in every game, not just big derbys, when the limelight is on them. Even if we'd miraculously beat or draw against City, many would argue that we'd still manage to not land in the Top 4, because of our recent very worrying not just results, but performances over all."I want to lose to Manchester City because I don't care where Manchester United finish on the table" is mutually exclusive with "I want players who fight hard for Manchester United".
Any chance Pool might drop points at Newcastle?
I will hate the team and Ole if we win tonight. Handing the title to Liverpool. No thanks. I dont give a rats ass about top 4 or any principles/morales/winning mentality etc etc
I expect the team to lose and if they dont, as much as i love Ole, he will always be seen as the manager who handed Liverpool the title in my eyes. And that is something i do not wish on anyone.
Throw the game, ashley young with 2 own goals. thanks very much. F*ck Liverpool
How about not trying against Everton, getting beat 4-0, then stepping up against your local, more successful rivals, sounds like a small-club mentality to me.This is such a terrible mentality. Like a small club
We don't need top 4.I care about Uniteds future success, than Liverpool winning the league.
We need the top 4.
We don't need top 4.
But we need to attract the world's best players! Yeah, because more overpriced, overpaid and overrated stars are EXACTLY what we need more of.
But we'll lose out on a tonne of money! Good. Being the richest club in the world means nothing if you continue to spunk it up the wall every year without any discernible plan or strategy. There are clubs outperforming us on a quarter of our turnover. Money isn't everything.
But we need to remain relevant in Europe! We're a joke on the european stage. We're getting spanked by teams in our back yard. Theo fecking Walcott scored against us last week. Let's focus there first?
The club needs a hard reset.
So how can you be a utd fan as that is just so messed up ?
I guess my hatred for Liverpool runs deep. Let's not forget when Gerrard passed the ball to Drogba and basically did the same thing.
They have done it before and would do it again in a heartbeat. So don't give me this not a United fan bollocks. I don't want Liverpool to win the league in my lifetime. I don't care what it takes. If we have the opportunity to do that, then we should take it
"I want to lose to Manchester City because I don't care where Manchester United finish on the table" is mutually exclusive with "I want players who fight hard for Manchester United".
Sounds Michelin Star to meI'll have a mains of a loss tonight please, with a side order of feck Liverpool.
I guess my hatred for Liverpool runs deep. Let's not forget when Gerrard passed the ball to Drogba and basically did the same thing.
They have done it before and would do it again in a heartbeat. So don't give me this not a United fan bollocks. I don't want Liverpool to win the league in my lifetime. I don't care what it takes. If we have the opportunity to deny them, then we should take it
Any chance Pool might drop points at Newcastle? And vs Wolves last match?
He isn’t a United supporter. Clearly an undercover dipperSo how can you be a utd fan as that is just so messed up ?
Again, this is not about trading a United title for Liverpool not winning a title, the remote possibility of a United CL place vs a almost certain Liverpool CL title is an easy choice.I love utd a lot more than I hate liverpool and I feel the same about city as I do liverpool.
I will be very happy to deny city a title and read all about on blue moon over the summer
What does it say ?
THIS IS AN OPEN LETTER FOR THE MANCHESTER UNITED
BOARD MEMBERS, PLAYERS & FANS
On 14th May 1995, Blackburn Rovers under the leadership of Kenny Dalglish arrived at Anfield on the last day of the 1994/95 season with a two point lead over Manchester United on 89 points but with a worse goal difference, which meant that if United, on 87 points, won at Upton Park versus West Ham United, and Blackburn failed to win at Anfield then Manchester United would be crowned Champions of England.
This left many Liverpool fans with a predicament, if they supported the Reds and roared them on to victory and United won at West Ham it could mean handing the title to arch rivals Man United.
So what happened on the day???
Liverpool & their fans, despite knowing victory could mean handing the title to United, duly went out and beat Blackburn 2-1 at Anfield with a late goal from Jamie Redknapp, and what was surprising when you consider the heated rivalry between Manchester United & Liverpool is that the crowd at Anfield that day roared the Reds on to victory despite knowing the consequences.
As it happened, Manchester United could only manage a 1-1 draw at Upton Park & Blackburn Rovers were duly crowned 1994/95 Premier League champions.
Despite our sometimes heated rivalry, I & many Liverpool supporters have the utmost respect for Manchester United.
Both our clubs have had our fair share of tragedy as well as glory. Manchester United suffering the terrible Munich air disaster back in 1958 which wiped out many players from the legendary "Busby Babes" including the one & only Duncan Edwards.
Liverpool suffering the loss of 96 supporters in the tragedy at Hillsborough in 1989 which still has repercussions to this day with the families of the bereaved still fighting for justice 30 years later.
Both clubs are the most successful English teams in the history of English football, Manchester United crowned 20 times English champions, Liverpool standing on 18 titles in their 127 year history. Liverpool - five times European Champions, Manchester United winning Europe's top prize three times.
Both clubs have achieved success through countless years of hard work, graft, top management & brilliant boardroom decisions which have brought three famous Scotsmen to their respective clubs, Liverpool appointing the legendary Bill Shankly in December 1959, and United appointing Matt Busby in 1945 and then later approaching Aberdeen in November 1986 to take Alex Ferguson to Old Trafford.........the rest as they say is history.
Neither Liverpool Football Club nor Manchester United had the benefit of rich billionaire benefactors pumping millions & millions of oil money in to the club which has seen Manchester City, who up to that time were barely known outside the UK, attracting many of the worlds mercenary footballers to the Etihad to ply their trade.
Both Manchester United & Liverpool FC have millions of fans throughout the world, this worldwide support has been achieved through decades of countless successes achieved both at home & abroad and has NOT been bought by a billionaire benefactor.
Both clubs are admired & respected throughout the world for their many past glories both at home & abroad, with both clubs having hundreds fan clubs throughout the world on all five continents, something which Manchester City despite their recent success will NEVER achieve.
My message to all Manchester United fans, players & boardroom members is a simple one......please remember what Liverpool fans & players did for you in 1995 and go forward and roar your team to a famous Manchester Derby victory versus City because whatever you think of Liverpool Football Club, we really are closer than you think.
None.Any chance Pool might drop points at Newcastle? And vs Wolves last match?
I'd much rather be called small time and enjoy their title-less run head into a 4th decade than have them rub in the fact he handed them the title.put it this way, if the roles were reversed, you just know United fans would be calling Liverpool fans smalltime for wishing us to lose instead of backing their top 4 chances.
I'm not convinced it "will" happen soon, their team could be dismantled by Real Madrid come July.The reality is that Liverpool are set to win the league sometime soon. If not this season then soon after. It will happen. It will be horrible but I've come to peace with it.
Not sure why United fans would want United to lose. Plus, at least it would prevent City winning two in a row.
None.
I doubt it. When the money actually hits, it's totally different. Me and my friend out of law school was recruited by a family firm giving us a starting salary more than we ever dreamed of. We were all in for the first 3 years and telling people around us that we would rather work with a family firm than one of those 'corporate suit' firms that pay double. That offer came last year for the both of us. Essentially giving us a real chance to eventually be in the top 0.5% of individual income nationwide. We both took the offers immediately.
Even if I was one day making 5 Million Dollars a year. If the offer came for 10 Million and I had to abandon a wonderful company to work for a corporate oil sleeze company. I would in a instant. So will 99% of the population. We only think 5 Million is enough and no way we want more because we never made 5 million. Once you are making 5 Million a year, you will want to make 10.
Funny the Open Letter doesn't mention this:
That was 9 years ago, it really wasn't that long.Young fans will not remember this. They also believe City is a bigger rival than Liverpool.
you hate Liverpool more than you love United. you've said it yourself. it's ridiculous.
bullshit.
the Newcastle game is wedged between the two Barca CL games, and Wolves already knocked them out of the FA Cup earlier in the season. unlikely maybe, but not impossible they drop points.
I wants what's best for United. My question is, is it better for us if we finish out of the top 4 anyway?
That way we possibly get way more money to spend on transfers to help us get back there like last time.
And if we finish out of the top 4, does that mean we will get players who want to play for us, rather than ones obsessed only by the Champion's League.
Or on the flip side players that are coming only for the money?
That's my dilemma. But I think if we actually identify the players with the right personality for United then it doesn't matter.
So maybe it's better to be out of top 4 and City win the title?
Win-Win.
I'm telling all you Utd fans who want us to beat City, if Liverpool win the league this year, they will only get stronger. Another 3 titles and another couple of European cups in the next few years is more than possible. In a world dominated by social media and commercial sponsorships, this could be a new era of dominance by them. Having lived through it in the 80's , if was a 24hour fecking nightmare.
On the other hand, if they don't win it this year , they may not recover and I can see it falling apart very quickly.
Any other team going for the title, I wouldn't give a feck. But these are our closest rivals in world football. Their fan base is big as our around the world. Their trophy cabinet is big as ours. They are the only club that scares me of dominating and over taking us In the next few years. It took us 25 years to claw them back , I'm not waiting another 25 years just so we can build some confidence with a win over our neighbours.
Just be careful what you wish for.
I'm not convinced it "will" happen soon, their team could be dismantled by Real Madrid come July.
Even if you think they'd win it sooner or later, wouldn't later be much more preferable?
Funny the Open Letter doesn't mention this: