United could try their absolute best and still lose 3-0
Do we want to lose to City?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
a poll would be good for this Q.
Screw other teams, it's all about United. Couldn't care less about anyone else.
The creation of this thread shows how far our team and expectations have fallen.
The creation of this thread shows how far our team and expectations have fallen.
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It would be quite hilarious for us to lose to City today and then City end up bottling it later.
Any chance Pool might drop points at Newcastle? And vs Wolves last match?
Call it what you want, but Im not buying into this fairytale shit of winning a champions league when we are a mile off even competing at all.
When push comes to shove of course we should all want utd to win tonight, seeing them lose to city at any point if the season is hard to take, at least tonight if we lose there is a silver lining !!!
Not really, most fans are not bothered by this one game, because of the possible further implications it could have for them personally if Liverpool win the league after so many years, which is perfectly understandable if you ask me. That doesn't make them not Manchester United fans. We want the team to give everything in every game, not just big derbys, when the limelight is on them. Even if we'd miraculously beat or draw against City, many would argue that we'd still manage to not land in the Top 4, because of our recent very worrying not just results, but performances over all.
Didn’t Rafa already make 7 changes last time they played each other? He basically threw the game and will do so again.
So how can you be a utd fan as that is just so messed up ?
How about not trying against Everton, getting beat 4-0, then stepping up against your local, more successful rivals, sounds like a small-club mentality to me.
We don't deserve top 4 in our current form, I would be quite happy dropping out of the champions league for a season in order for us to rebuild and fix the team. Put the kids in Europa league, let them have the experience.
Qualification for the champions league will just paper over our huge cracks and let the players get away with it. We won't do any better than this season too.
On the other hand, beat city tonight and it would almost guarantee the scousers league.
I don't think I could imagine a worse summer than listening to them harping on about the win, the TV media coverage and then on into next season.
Thankfully we are crap so tonight will most likely be about keeping the score down.
I don't think I'll even watch tonight, I don't want Utd to lose, but I don't want the Scousers to win the league. The best option, City beat us 1 nil.
Qualification for the champions league will just paper over our huge cracks and let the players get away with it. We won't do any better than this season too.
On the other hand, beat city tonight and it would almost guarantee the scousers league.
I don't think I could imagine a worse summer than listening to them harping on about the win, the TV media coverage and then on into next season.
Thankfully we are crap so tonight will most likely be about keeping the score down.
I don't think I'll even watch tonight, I don't want Utd to lose, but I don't want the Scousers to win the league. The best option, City beat us 1 nil.
We don't need top 4.
But we need to attract the world's best players! Yeah, because more overpriced, overpaid and overrated stars are EXACTLY what we need more of.
But we'll lose out on a tonne of money! Good. Being the richest club in the world means nothing if you continue to spunk it up the wall every year without any discernible plan or strategy. There are clubs outperforming us on a quarter of our turnover. Money isn't everything.
But we need to remain relevant in Europe! We're a joke on the european stage. We're getting spanked by teams in our back yard. Theo fecking Walcott scored against us last week. Let's focus there first?
The club needs a hard reset.
I'm not talking about the financial need to be in the top 4.
The best sides in the world play in the Champions League.
At what other top side would playing in the Europa be remotely acceptable? I can't see Madrid, Bayern, PSG, Juventus etc ever accepting that. I wouldn't say we are a joke on the European stage, we put PSG out and reached the quarter finals. If we'd drawn Porto as Liverpool did, I reckon we'd be in the semi finals.
I agree that we need a reset, but we can do that whilst playing in the Champions League.
I guess my hatred for Liverpool runs deep. Let's not forget when Gerrard passed the ball to Drogba and basically did the same thing.
They have done it before and would do it again in a heartbeat. So don't give me this not a United fan bollocks. I don't want Liverpool to win the league in my lifetime. I don't care what it takes. If we have the opportunity to deny them, then we should take it
I love utd a lot more than I hate liverpool and I feel the same about city as I do liverpool.
I will be very happy to deny city a title and read all about on blue moon over the summer
I don't think the question is do you want to lose to City.
As a Liverpool fan, I have the opinion that the Man Utd players are already on holiday. I really can't see Man Utd beating City, and that's not being disrespectful just a sad fact.
At Liverpool we have had endless end of season games where our players had nothing to play for and just couldn't be arsed.
Personally I expect Burnley and Leicester to give Man City harder games than the one tonight, they have got worse players but in SD and BR they both have managers who will demand 100%.
I don't get the feeling that Ole is prepared to demand or get the same response tonight.
As a Liverpool fan, I have the opinion that the Man Utd players are already on holiday. I really can't see Man Utd beating City, and that's not being disrespectful just a sad fact.
At Liverpool we have had endless end of season games where our players had nothing to play for and just couldn't be arsed.
Personally I expect Burnley and Leicester to give Man City harder games than the one tonight, they have got worse players but in SD and BR they both have managers who will demand 100%.
I don't get the feeling that Ole is prepared to demand or get the same response tonight.
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I'm pretty sure you're not from the UK judging from past conversations in the Brexit thread. It's one thing to share your own opinion but maybe refrain from judging local fans when you clearly don't understand the motives behind their opinions.
Plus your arguments bollocks, people want them to fight but the whole purpose of this thread is that this is an exceptional case.
Sounds Michelin Star to me
you hate Liverpool more than you love United. you've said it yourself. it's ridiculous.
No way Benitez will give them a game now that they’re safe. Newcastle will roll over without any sort of challenge.
put it this way, if the roles were reversed, you just know United fans would be calling Liverpool fans smalltime for wishing us to lose instead of backing their top 4 chances.
The reality is that Liverpool are set to win the league sometime soon. If not this season then soon after. It will happen. It will be horrible but I've come to peace with it.
Not sure why United fans would want United to lose. Plus, at least it would prevent City winning two in a row.
Not sure why United fans would want United to lose. Plus, at least it would prevent City winning two in a row.
He isn’t a United supporter. Clearly an undercover dipper
Again, this is not about trading a United title for Liverpool not winning a title, the remote possibility of a United CL place vs a almost certain Liverpool CL title is an easy choice.
I hope you enjoy yourself when Liverpool fans rub it in for decades to come.
None.
I'd much rather be called small time and enjoy their title-less run head into a 4th decade than have them rub in the fact he handed them the title.
I'm not convinced it "will" happen soon, their team could be dismantled by Real Madrid come July.
Even if you think they'd win it sooner or later, wouldn't later be much more preferable?
bullshit.
the Newcastle game is wedged between the two Barca CL games, and Wolves already knocked them out of the FA Cup earlier in the season. unlikely maybe, but not impossible they drop points.
Funny the Open Letter doesn't mention this:
This is a terrible question to put to fans. I never thought that any fan would want to lose a game no matter who or what it means. We need to win ALL 4 games to have a chance of top 4. That's all that should matter.
That’s you’re choice.
I already work in research science and could double my salary working in pharmaceutical but I’d rather not. It’s not the be all end all for me, so yeah 100k a week at United rather than 200k at city would be easy call to make.
Young fans will not remember this. They also believe City is a bigger rival than Liverpool.Funny the Open Letter doesn't mention this:
That was 9 years ago, it really wasn't that long.
Also we really haven't been much or a rival to City since Sir Alex retired.
because i dont want liverpool to win the title in my lifetime makes me hate liverpool more than i love united? ye, good one.
The media love-in with Liverpool is so cringe too. The press are so desperate for Liverpool to win the league and you lot are lapping it up
No, because the cock ups of Arsenal and Chelsea have left the door open for top 4, however I'd rather we lost than drew as a draw does nothing for us and will make Liverpool league winners, a thought far worse than Plastic FC winning another one.
This is the worst situation we've been in since I've supporting the club. There is no great outcome out of this. I simply don't trust this group of players to get top 4 even if we beat city, it's out of our control anyway but don't trust us to get maximum points. I'm sorry but I know far too many annoying Liverpool cnts where I live, could be a long long Summer. I know Liverpool done us a favour when we messed up on the final day in the early 90's. I also remember them laying down against Chelsea at anfield when we were in a close race, slippy G hitting the most dodgy backpass that led to a goal. His reaction after was as out of character as his pass. In short, Liverpool winning the league brings them one behind us. People haven't discussed the real possibility of them winning the double. People say you should focus on your own team, I am in the long term. A league and champions league could be devastating to catching up, considering how far behind we are now.
I'm not saying I want the Europa league but a few of the rats could force there way off the ship. There is something rotten in that dressing room and it needs gutting out. We really need players who want to be here going forward, too many not on the same page. If I hear the word response aimed at this group again I'm going to implode. Getting battered by Barca 3.0 with barely a shot then the Everton response.
My last point on City winning tonight is this, City winning the league this year means nothing now. They have spent over a billion of oil money on a side that haven't got even close to a European trophy. They can't even fill there stadium, it's as empty as Chelsea's success. Liverpool is our bigger rival and don't want them winning anything.
I'm not saying I want the Europa league but a few of the rats could force there way off the ship. There is something rotten in that dressing room and it needs gutting out. We really need players who want to be here going forward, too many not on the same page. If I hear the word response aimed at this group again I'm going to implode. Getting battered by Barca 3.0 with barely a shot then the Everton response.
My last point on City winning tonight is this, City winning the league this year means nothing now. They have spent over a billion of oil money on a side that haven't got even close to a European trophy. They can't even fill there stadium, it's as empty as Chelsea's success. Liverpool is our bigger rival and don't want them winning anything.
I'd rather take a season or two away from European football until Solskjaer has the team he wants and players who fit into his vision. No point trying to get 4th only to crash out early next season. We simply aren't good enough for the champions league right now and there is no shame in admitting that. Teams have to rebuild, we can't always be dominant. We haven't been dominant since Fergie left. Serious rebuilding needs to be done and Rome wasn't built in a day.
No, it is impossible Liverpool that drop points in that game. Even if Liverpool rested players for the Barca games (they won't, the league is too important), even if Benitez was desperate to beat them (he won't be, he knows how important the league is to them) and even if Newcastle had a fully fit squad (lost Almiron and Schar in their last game), Liverpool will still not drop points here. And the least said about Wolves since the last United game the better, especially with that game being at Anfield and Conor Coady being their captain. This is Liverpool's year, and they will finish on 97 points. The only hope is City win all their games as well, otherwise it's 2005 all over again
