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There is no right or wrong. You can't say in hindsight what the best thing to do was because you could never predict the deflection.It's not being results orientated. It us leaving the man open in the box. The "result" could've easily changed because VDB left Lanzini unmarked, because a better player for West Ham on the wing could've passed it straight to Lanzini without the deflection. Bailly was the man who covered the front post.
Fans defending VDB for that goal baffles me. Although Telles was primary culprit.
Overall though VDB played well and should be played alongside Mctominay next game instead of Fred. To be fair to him, I can justify that mistake because he will be rusty with the lack of minutes.
Bailly had the front post covered. VDB moved to double up on the front post and left a man free.I'm not sure how it's baffling? If bowen taps it in its dvb fault for not blocking the nearest threat to goal.
Like a cross in, you don't mark the man at the back post leaving the guy on the pen spot free, you filter in and if the cross goes over your head and the guy at the back taps it in, fair game.
I actually just edited my post which mentioned bailly. I still think he has to close bowen and its just an unlucky bounce. The biggest issue was the wing, he beats 3 man with a simple hit and runBailly had the front post covered. VDB moved to double up on the front post and left a man free.
It had to be tactical - I doubt he just decided to stop playing as a central midfielder after doing so with fairly impressive discipline for an hour.First half very good, second half frustrated me. He was playing like a striker on the shoulder of opposition CBs, which was congesting the box while we were also visibly missing his passing skills in midfield. Not sure if that was tactical or what.
At this point he needs to dribble the length of the pitch, beating five players, putting the keeper on his arse and lob the ball into the net for some people to call his performance 'okay'.Best CM performance I've seen in so called double pivot this season. I don't understand what more people want to see.
It's not just that he was knackered, it seemed he was instructed to play further forward which was a bit inexplicable, considering Bruno was on the pitch, too. I'd love to hear Ole's thinking behind that.I agree it was his best game. I would call it an objectively good performance. Let down by the absolute shite ahead of him. No surprise that his most creative pass of the game was to Greenwood. A pity that he was absolutely knackered by the time he had some good players around him.
Me too. I didn't pay full attention in second half so maybe I missed something, but van de Beek - Matic partnership was working very well first 60' so not sure we we decided to break it and push Donny higher up. Especially considering that Bruno entered the pitch.It had to be tactical - I doubt he just decided to stop playing as a central midfielder after doing so with fairly impressive discipline for an hour.
At this point he needs to dribble the length of the pitch, beating five players, putting the keeper on his arse and lob the ball into the net for some people to call his performance 'okay'.
It's not just that he was knackered, it seemed he was instructed to play further forward which was a bit inexplicable, considering Bruno was on the pitch, too. I'd love to hear Ole's thinking behind that.
VdB shows great intelligence in that situation and puts himself in a position to help Bailly and cut off the pass to Lanzini which he does brilliantly IMO. But you can't compensate for the deflection.Bailly MAY have got back to the guy at the 6 yard box but otherwise he has a tap in in dvb doesn't drop in there.
Didn't you just say this was the first time you've seen him?Whenever I've watched him play, I just see an average player that passes sideways and backwards almost every time.
I notice this too, quite often he ran into the #10 / AM position when our CBs or Matic have the ball at the back and find an option to pass the ball, like he was trying to hide himselfHe was ok I thought some good things some bad. Neat and tidy on the ball and decent technique, but he did get caught in possesion a few times and was poor fo rthe goal.
Still havent seen enough from him where he is really grabbign his opportunities to not be ignored though, even with our midfield woes. Matic was the stand out player in our midfield which says something.
One of the problems for me where we see him anomynous for large period of the game is his positioning which I find really weird. When we have the ball you often see him moving almost to a full back position or crowded area, he almost takes himself out of the game and run of play with some of his awful movement of the ball, especially when we are in slower possesion based build up which has been often this season.
Soounding harsh, but for me I am seeing a squad player which is how I see nearly all of our central midfielders, we still have nobody doing enough to guarantee they should be starting and thats why its a travesty we didn tsign a quality central midfielder (or two) this last window
Is that an impression you got after this game? I'm asking because my observations are exactly the opposite, he takes very good positions to receive a pass and circulate the ball, what is probably his biggest strength. Not once yesterday I saw him taking himself out of the game, he was heavily involved all game.He was ok I thought some good things some bad. Neat and tidy on the ball and decent technique, but he did get caught in possesion a few times and was poor fo rthe goal.
Still havent seen enough from him where he is really grabbign his opportunities to not be ignored though, even with our midfield woes. Matic was the stand out player in our midfield which says something.
One of the problems for me where we see him anomynous for large period of the game is his positioning which I find really weird. When we have the ball you often see him moving almost to a full back position or crowded area, he almost takes himself out of the game and run of play with some of his awful movement of the ball, especially when we are in slower possesion based build up which has been often this season.
Soounding harsh, but for me I am seeing a squad player which is how I see nearly all of our central midfielders, we still have nobody doing enough to guarantee they should be starting and thats why its a travesty we didn tsign a quality central midfielder (or two) this last window
As bad as Martial and Sancho according to Whoscored, I'm out..https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...ague-Cup-2021-2022-Manchester-United-West-Ham
Worst rated stats wise, but MOTM in red cafes rating.
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Yeah, according to this seems he's rated same as Martial. Seems legit.https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...ague-Cup-2021-2022-Manchester-United-West-Ham
Worst rated stats wise, but MOTM in red cafes rating.
Bias
It's nice to actually watch games, instead of reading a stats sheet(not that I think he was MOTM myself, but he was definitely good).https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...ague-Cup-2021-2022-Manchester-United-West-Ham
Worst rated stats wise, but MOTM in red cafes rating.
Bias
I have not watched the game but that really does look solid. Very good first touch, not many misplaced passes, mobile and pretty strong. He seldomly gets pushed off the ball. In the second half his passing also got more progressive it seems which is probably what we would get if we played him regurlarly and his confidence got boosted.
That is a good performance at the very least. He's super reliable on the ball (compared to our other midfielders) and what I like about him is how he involves others into play. Plus his defensive game is miles better than an average AM he is supposed to be.
He's definitely a central midfielder.
In my opinion, yes. Although, sadly, that’s a low bar.Much better than his usual performances, imo. A step in the right direction.
But can anyone tell me what he excels at? He's not quick or strong, he's not good at winning or intercepting the ball, he's not particularly good at keeping the ball under pressure either and he can't score from outside the box. That pretty much leaves passing and link-up play.
The question then becomes: is he so good at these two aspects of the game that he can displace McTominay or Fred? Personally, I don't see it. If we sign a CM next summer then that will be the final nail in the coffin for him.
I just think he's more suited to play AM, but there's no way he will displace Bruno or Pogba.
He is much more refined footballer than Fred, definitely stronger than him and much better passer. I don't think either of them is particularly good at positioning off the ball, Fred is faster/more nimble what plays a big role in his game, and he can run non stop 90'.Much better than his usual performances, imo. A step in the right direction.
But can anyone tell me what he excels at? He's not quick or strong, he's not good at winning or intercepting the ball, he's not particularly good at keeping the ball under pressure either and he can't score from outside the box. That pretty much leaves passing and link-up play.
The question then becomes: is he so good at these two aspects of the game that he can displace McTominay or Fred? Personally, I don't see it. If we sign a CM next summer then that will be the final nail in the coffin for him.
I just think he's more suited to play AM, but there's no way he will displace Bruno or Pogba.
I agree with that, if we face a team that moves the ball better through the middle we might be in trouble as van de Beek will be out wide. Same happens with Fred but he's faster to get back and never tired.He played really well in possession, created that chance for Greenwood also. I think if we play him more, his confidence will increase and we will see better from him.
One thing he needs to stop doing as a CM is getting attracted to the ball, on the press and defending, he needs to be much better positionally.
Have to agree. Thought he played well last night and then I come on RedCafe and see this shambles of a thread with a bunch of people crying. It's like some people expect him to be Xavi or Iniesta.I'm very surprised to see anyone critical of him as i thought he had a very good game. He did well in getting the ball forward (something we struggle with through the centre bar Pogba), made some good runs, and put himself about with some solid tackles.
He's unlikely to become good enough to prevent the need for a new midfielder but he's showing he can be a good option this season. We certainly need one.
All this tells me is Whoscored have no idea (or at least the person in charge of this rating) how anybody can watch his performance last night and say he was the worst in the team is frankly bonkers.https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...ague-Cup-2021-2022-Manchester-United-West-Ham
Worst rated stats wise, but MOTM in red cafes rating.
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I was at the game and that was one of his better games, definitely impacted the game more than Martial and to only have 0.02 better of a rating, seems that they've given him his rating off stats.https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...ague-Cup-2021-2022-Manchester-United-West-Ham
Worst rated stats wise, but MOTM in red cafes rating.
Bias
Because his stock is so low. If Fred did that people would be asking for him to be soldWe lost 1-0 and he was responsible for their goal. Since when does this mean "he did pretty well"???
Look at Matic there, absolute shambles jogging and doing feck all despite seeing VDB commit to the attacker.Bailly had the front post covered. VDB moved to double up on the front post and left a man free.
At least I know I wont be visiting this website ever again, terrible ratings.https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...ague-Cup-2021-2022-Manchester-United-West-Ham
Worst rated stats wise, but MOTM in red cafes rating.
Bias
