Very interesting point made in this vid. One of the people talking to Joey was also at Heysel. He said that the fans who were crushed that day urinated on themselves, coz it was being squeezed out of them. He thinks that this might've been the seed from which the story emerged that fans were urinating on other fans or on the police at Hillsborough.
e-petition to release the govt Hillsborough files
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I was watching this, and its the first time since it happened that i have seen it like that. I was 9 when it happened and i remember it like yesterday, but never really understood what really happend.
Im not ashamed to say I had a tear in my eye looking at it, the way it was handled as it occured and from then on. Awful Awful Awful thing to happen.
RIP to them, and I hope they and their families get the justice they deserve.
Can someone briefly explain as to why it's believed to have been a cover up? I wasn't born when Hillsborough happened.
See the above headline. Evidence was covered up on a wide scale
That front page text:
A detailed picture of how the evidence of junior police officers present at the Hillsborough football disaster was systematically distorted can be revealed today, as an independent panel prepared to deliver the findings of the exhaustive investigation into the afternoon which claimed the lives of 96 fans.
The Independent has obtained four previously unpublished witness statements written by police constables, who were all on duty at the Leppings Lane end on the disastrous day of Liverpool’s FA Cup semi final with Nottingham Forest in 1989. They show how the documents, originally prepared for an internal inquiry, were altered prior to Lord Taylor’s official inquiry later that year to ensure that South Yorkshire Police emerged from the tragedy in a significantly more positive light.
The testimony of one constable, 31 year-old Martin McLoughlin, was crossed through so two paragraphs of criticises were entirely deleted. PC McLoughlin, who had nine years’ service with the force, described how police had “appeared to be a bit thin on the ground for the numbers of people involved” on the fateful afternoon of 15 April 1989. He also detailed how officers on duty at the stadium had a “poor supply of personal radios” when the catastrophic decision to allow fans to enter the Leppings Lane end through an exit gate led to many being
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A detailed picture of how the evidence of junior police officers present at the Hillsborough football disaster was systematically distorted can be revealed today, as an independent panel prepared to deliver the findings of the exhaustive investigation into the afternoon which claimed the lives of 96 fans.
The Independent has obtained four previously unpublished witness statements written by police constables, who were all on duty at the Leppings Lane end on the disastrous day of Liverpool’s FA Cup semi final with Nottingham Forest in 1989. They show how the documents, originally prepared for an internal inquiry, were altered prior to Lord Taylor’s official inquiry later that year to ensure that South Yorkshire Police emerged from the tragedy in a significantly more positive light.
The testimony of one constable, 31 year-old Martin McLoughlin, was crossed through so two paragraphs of criticises were entirely deleted. PC McLoughlin, who had nine years’ service with the force, described how police had “appeared to be a bit thin on the ground for the numbers of people involved” on the fateful afternoon of 15 April 1989. He also detailed how officers on duty at the stadium had a “poor supply of personal radios” when the catastrophic decision to allow fans to enter the Leppings Lane end through an exit gate led to many being
Continued on Page 6.
The ticketless fans, like the drunk and spectators turning up late, were of a minority, so it wasn't a direct cause for the disaster.
You could argue police fickleness and imbecility, the growing distrust by law enforcements over the working class and a culture of paying on the gate, moments before a capacity match ignited it. Beardsley hitting the post early on was the spark; had he scored god knows what would have happened.
That documentary made me feel sick. Those poor poor people
Anyone know what time these new files are going to be released?
They have been released this morning to the families. It will probably be latter in the day before the public will see them.
Think it said noon.
From the BBC:
So it would make sense that the papers are released before the silence or vigil I guess.
So many mistakes and so many lies to cover up the truth since it happened.
An absolute disgrace.
An absolute disgrace.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...ased-brian-reade-1318730#.UFBpaqTZKF0.twitter
Brian Reade article.
Brian Reade article.
DC making his statement now on BBC Parliament.
Says the reports are deeply distressing - including the attempt to blame the fans. Failure of leadership on the scene, delay in getting treatment.
Evidence shows many could've been saved after 3:15 - as many as 31 I think he said.
Attempts including The Sun to blame the fans were "clearly wrong", and the source was a Sheffield newsagency.
Negative comments on the police were removed. New evidence that police researched the past character of the victims in order to affect the character/reputation of the victims.
Child victims were tested for alcohol.
No evidence the fans were to blame - stresses they were not to blame for what happened.
Says the reports are deeply distressing - including the attempt to blame the fans. Failure of leadership on the scene, delay in getting treatment.
Evidence shows many could've been saved after 3:15 - as many as 31 I think he said.
Attempts including The Sun to blame the fans were "clearly wrong", and the source was a Sheffield newsagency.
Negative comments on the police were removed. New evidence that police researched the past character of the victims in order to affect the character/reputation of the victims.
Child victims were tested for alcohol.
No evidence the fans were to blame - stresses they were not to blame for what happened.
23 years for the truth to be confirmed offically. Shameful Disgusting and inhumane
What a fecking shame. Atleast the truth has come out.
fecking hell, what a disgrace. Most of those officers will be retired now and unaccountable you would presume.
Tbf this was an issue every previous FA Cup Semi that United or Liverpool were involved in for about two decades prior.
Hope this can bring some measure of closure to the families of the 96 and the survivors of the disaster. In football terms I hate Liverpool FC but football is only a game this is real life and in real life nobody deserves the fate of the 96 and their families. They deserved better. Hopefully now those who were robbed of their lives at Hillsborough can rest peacefully.
Can anyone go to jail for this? Or will they be immune to prosecution?
Apparently the misuse of the Police National Computer can result in charges of Misconduct in Public Office in certain circumstances.
It'll be a disgrace if the accused doesn't get punished for all this. It's a big shame that police reports etc were amended to make it look like it was the fault of liverpool supporters.
It's hard to see it ever happening, but then I never would have expected there to be a criminal investigation into Bloody Sunday.
Scumbags the lot of them. Inhumane, gutless scumbags.
Glad the truth is being exposed.
Glad the truth is being exposed.
I hope the bastards who covered this up do time. Absoloutley gobsmacked at some of the findings. It is hard to take it all in.
What about this Sheffield MP who briefed The Sun?
No one's too old to face criminal charges. Unless he's dead?
No one's too old to face criminal charges. Unless he's dead?
The woman speaking now in the commons fighting back the tears.
164 police documents altered is mental, and I saw a bit about the police trying to search through the victims past so they could call their characters into question.
164 police documents altered is mental, and I saw a bit about the police trying to search through the victims past so they could call their characters into question.
Cameron's being quizzed right now by MPs. They're asking him the same questions.
Mark Thomas @markthomasinfo
There are two types of Sun editors: those that are facing trial and those that should be.
There are two types of Sun editors: those that are facing trial and those that should be.
The bastards who covered this up should be called to account and if possible prosecuted for their part in this.If that means dragging Thatcher and the government of the time to the Commons to explain how much they knew about the cover up then so be it.
Kelvin McKenzie what an absolute scumbag. Those poor people and their families. They even did alcohol tests on the children. Disgraceful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irvine_Patnick
Also what charges should he face? Are there laws to cover this sort of thing?
Attacking Kelvin MacKenzie now.
Shocking! It really would be a touch of class if United fans held aloft a Justice banner away at Anfield next week. Will never happen though! Happy for everyone effected.
He's still alive, get him prosecuted. He sounds a lovely human being doesn't he.