Yeah he's not a guy like Luis Enrique who can walk into another top job. This is as good as he is going to get. Southgate is truly the Ole of international management.This is exactly how I see it. Club sides know he is incompetent. At best he could get a Palace level job. So not only does it financially make more sense for him but on a personal level he is practically in sackable to the FA at this point. Unless he fails miserably in the Euro qualifiers. But hey if the FA are happy with his mediocre performances then who are we to judge.
Agreed on Poch. With Enqrique, I highly doubt he is quitting from the Spain job to then take over England though. If England do go for a foreign manager, I think it will be one that has managed in England too.He might not be ambitious enough. Remember this…
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If one of Enrique or Poch is available I think you should go for it.
I’m sure the FA would have offered Martinez the job had Southgate backed out.Well done, FA. You've managed to equal, if not even beat, the Belgium FA's ambition of burying a golden generation by backing an absolute loser.
I somehow missed this response… I am genuinely confused. I agree with you Sterling was a big mistake in that gsme. Dunno how this is distorting it into a moronic straw man or whatever. Pretty weird passive aggressive response!Oh look, distorting the conversation and reducing it down to moronic straw man comments. Go you.
Yeah they are clearly all in for waiting until either of them become available. I feel sorry for the likes of Tomori,Toney,Barnes,Maddison who won’t get a proper chance until he leaves.I don't mind him staying until the Euros at all, there's nobody obvious to replace him. Potter or Howe may be available after the Euros and also not convinced that a Tuchel or Pochettino would even be interested nevermind do well with an international side.
Great, thanks for replying a week later, I can sleep better now. It’s straw man because you’ve taken a broad point about formations and boiled it down to some simplistic thing about the Sterling sub. Not that I actually know what your point is anymore, or care.I somehow missed this response… I am genuinely confused. I agree with you Sterling was a big mistake in that gsme. Dunno how this is distorting it into a moronic straw man or whatever. Pretty weird passive aggressive response!
Sure, bring in a pure winner like Enrique (who Southgate has gone beyond in every tournament) or Pochettino (who bottled Ligue Un with PSG)He might not be ambitious enough. Remember this…
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What were your views on Ole when it was desperately clear he wasn't fit for the United job? I'd love to see the correlation between the Ole's at the wheel brigade and Southgate fans.Sure, bring in a pure winner like Enrique (who Southgate has gone beyond in every tournament) or Pochettino (who bottled Ligue Un with PSG)
Excellent choices.
Is different results having different consequences such a mystery? Of course losing to Senegal would have been a disappointment while losing to France in an otherwise impressive performance isn't. It's not so much a matter of rounds.How are the FA and media so out of touch? It's funny because if we would've lost to Senegal a round earlier, he'd be out on his ass but just because we lost to France, it's a free pass. We're every bit as good as France but we have a far inferior manager (and Deschamps is nothing special either).
Well that would describe on what defines desperately clear? I thought Ole stuck around for a couple of months too long when it was abundantly clear that it was too far gone (Liverpool would probably be the straw that broke the camels back) but was very averse to all the options available at the time. If in the same situation again I’d have the exact same opinion of all of them options as I did, well, except I’d say absolutely the feck not to Ralf Rangnick as an interim.What were your views on Ole when it was desperately clear he wasn't fit for the United job? I'd love to see the correlation between the Ole's at the wheel brigade and Southgate fans.
Big Sam was appointed but then sacked due to an off field scandal. Southgate may be a great motivator but his in game choice is where he falls down and that is what ultimately costs you in the end. The negative approach has already cost us a place in the 2018 WC final and the 2020 Euros where if we played with a positive approach we would have won both matches.Very interesting reading the response to Southgate. Either one of two things is true, English fans have zero capacity to reflect on the objective reality of their country in international football or many of us outside of the England fanbase can see something English fans see.
So this is a Golden generation of players ? Really? This is said like it’s not been said over and over and over again every other decade about English teams, by the English media. This generation looks no more or less impressive then other ones.
It’s very hard not to rate modern players more but the difference I see is the managers humility right the way through the squad. England were as good if not better then France in my view and were unfortunate to go out to probable double world champions.
I’ve seen more confirdent and hyped up england teams bottle it and fail miserably when up against it. This team did not bottle it nor look out of place against France , you have to give Southgate credit for that, no other English managers have been able to manage the expectations.
I can’t remember watching an important knock game in a knock out tournament England game where they looked at home against a top opponent.
Sometimes having a stronger manager works and sometimes it doesnt. I think it’s less important for international football as players have little choice but to listen to the manager if they are in a country like England with such a vast pool of players.
Most World Cup winning managers have less then impressive club managing records.
I think southgates done a really good job. England haven’t looked this close to a win since 1966. Even in 1990 they weren’t exactly tearing up trees squeezing past Cameroon and Belgium.
It’s ironic that Southgate wasn’t actually the FAs first pick, that was big Sam. That sort of arrogant , Mike Bassett, appointment would of been a disaster but Southgates more respectful and none arrogant approach has been refreshing and makes him probably the 2nd best English manager to date.
Add Maddison - he might as well retire from the English team.Well that’s Trent, Rashford & Grealish fecked.
Sterling & Mount will be celebrating mind.
Even if your are sticking with English, Potter and Howe are miles ahead of Southgate. Southgate has a record of beating easy teams, but I think you could almost put anyone there and end up with the same results.There isn't anyone English who will be better than Southgate. The FA are obviously going down the English only route even if they're not saying that exactly. That is the depressing truth. We've pretty much no chance of winning anything with Southgate as manager, that's also true of the other English options and at least Southgate has a record of getting to SF and F.
Why? We have the players and a wealth of attacking options on the bench. Southgate repeatedly doesn't use those options when we need them most, and as a consequence many seem to have lost faith in his ability to make us winners.Baring an absolute fluke this England side aren’t ever going to do better. Southgate is comfortably the best performing England manger you lot have had in my life time. It’s hilarious youse think some other manager might win you something