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England have lost 19 tests at home in the last 10 years. That’s terrible
I think it's captains duty to do what England are lacking and also they're missing big characters like Stokes and Broad who'd have helped.Just like Lord's when you turned around an unlikely win opportunity on the last day, like I said earlier you clearly cope better than us when there is not much happening and don't let your frustrations get the better of you out on the field like us and it shows
Yes, we have absolutely missed those players, but the way in which we prepare for test series is substandard and has been for a while now. It is not congenial to keeping players fit, fresh, and enjoying what they do.Just in the interest of balance, England were missing Wood and Archer, who are the two bowlers we have with real pace. Not to mention Broad and Stokes. Anderson and Robinson look done physically, not surprising seen as one is 39 and the other is playing his first summer of test cricket.
I’m not writing this for the purpose of making excuses, England have been outplayed mentally and on the pitch, but I’m not sure many teams would match India with four premium bowlers missing basically the whole series.
Yes, we have missed those players but the way in which we prepare for test series is substandard. It is not congenial to keeping players fit and enjoying what they do.
Everything seems geared around getting bums on seats and getting in as many tests as possible rather than England winning tests and being successful.
We are an utter shambles from top to bottom and the test team is a joke.
Was MOTM for me. Obviously scored 2 very crucial fifties but also picked up key wickets including Burns and Root in the 2nd innings.Does anyone feel the man of the match should have gone to Thakur? He was the reason India went on to post 190 odd and then he scored again in the second and took some key wickets.
It's not so much a case of what should have been done instead but of the general state of the longer form in this country.What do you think should have been done instead?
Yep. I don't like it how it almost always goes to the batsman who gets the big score.Does anyone feel the man of the match should have gone to Thakur? He was the reason India went on to post 190 odd and then he scored again in the second and took some key wickets.
Probably and then I'd also consider dropping him for the next test. Looks a really average bowler.Does anyone feel the man of the match should have gone to Thakur? He was the reason India went on to post 190 odd and then he scored again in the second and took some key wickets.
Perhaps but I don't think England will focus on today as the crux of why we lost that test match.India did well to win, especially that session after lunch. Ruthless.
But England contributed, as this pitch was no way a 10 wicket in a day pitch. The run out is still mad, because it happens before lunch and India werent exactly having England on the backfoot and defending for their lives.
I actually think it's the other way around. Indian bowlers were far more dominant in the first two tests. Indian bowlers have struggled when the pitch hasn't offered anything (execpt for Bumrah's spell today). English batters generally negated them in Headingley and Oval. English bowlers were far more threatening than India's for both innings in Headingley and the first innings here.Yeah that’s why I think that England should have made proper green pitches and made it more of a lottery . Whenever the conditions are decent this Indian team is superior to England
But they shouldn't. End of last day, both the openers were cruising, and India's only hope Jadeja was woefully out of rhythm. Good starts by the English batters today, and despite losing 2 wickets, after Lunch most thought England can chase this down if they have 120 or so to score in the last session with 5 wickets in hand. Rob Keys was cautiously excited and Hameed and Root's intent after Lunch was clear.Perhaps but I don't think England will focus on today as the crux of why we lost that test match.
weren't you here complaining for 3 months about the Indian pitches during the reverse tourYeah that’s why I think that England should have made proper green pitches and made it more of a lottery . Whenever the conditions are decent this Indian team is superior to England
Well they should not I agree. Their first innings was horrible given what they got India out forPerhaps but I don't think England will focus on today as the crux of why we lost that test match.
He is 'one of the boys' so I think Root will want him back in. Tend to agree with your point on him and Jonny long term. Neither play enough red ball Cricket in the calendar year to be dropping in and out.Does Buttler come back into this side?
I think England need to draw a line with respect to one of Buttler/Bairstow -- neither are particularly successful
Pope should be in the side..
What's your take on your openers?He is 'one of the boys' so I think Root will want him back in. Tend to agree with your point on him and Jonny long term. Neither play enough red ball Cricket in the calendar year to be dropping in and out.
Pope should be fine, we hardly have loads of options so we have to stick with him. Widely seen as the best young player on the red ball scene in county cricket.
It was 6 months not 3 . Weird thing is that I actually said at that time as well that India are a better team than England and so making underprepared pitches actually makes it more of a lottery than India needed to .weren't you here complaining for 3 months about the Indian pitches during the reverse tour
They weren’t in the first innings, batting conditions had eased up considerably by the second day. India were also ripping through the English top order when the conditions were helpful.English bowlers were far more threatening than India's for both innings in Headingley and the first innings here.
Hard to pin it down to just the openers. If Stokes is not back for the foreseeable/ever again then we only have one spot in the top 7 nailed down (Root).What's your take on your openers?
Yeah he’s vice captain, I’m sure he will.Does Buttler come back into this side?
I think England need to draw a line with respect to one of Buttler/Bairstow -- neither are particularly successful
Pope should be in the side..
100% agree with this. Lower order through their wickets away. A bigger lead would have added more pressure. Very disappointing result after lots of promise.England messed up the first innings where they had perfect conditions to bat on and get a 200 run lead . Vice captain Moeen Ali with a horrendous shot was the game changer
Buttler and Bairstow fighting for one place really. Stokes will come in as the all rounder and 4 other bowlers on the strongest line up. For the next test probably Buttler for Bairstow and Wood for Overton would be the only changes.Yeah he’s vice captain, I’m sure he will.
Pope has got to stay after the first innings. Bairstow always felt like a stop gap, given that they knew Buttler was probably going to miss time at some point in the series.
Thats for an India fan to judge but the obvious point id make is that Dhoni toured v some much better England sides than this.If Kohli pulls of a test series win in England is he a better test captain than Dhoni?
Feel Burns, Hameed, Pope and Buttler are also nailed down despite some of their form. The number 3 position continues to ask questions but probably Malan will stay. Difficult to see who can come in from the County game at the moment. Can’t see any stand out 4 day batsmen knocking the door down.Hard to pin it down to just the openers. If Stokes is not back for the foreseeable/ever again then we only have one spot in the top 7 nailed down (Root).
Burns continuing to struggle is a big blow. I think they had him in line for potential Captaincy behind Root but that's not on the table when he's either out for a duck or struggles to convert his 50s to a hundred. He does however seem to be the best of a bad bunch right now.
Sibley? Not cut out for that level IMO. Jury still hugely out on Hameed but he's probably done enough in two of his knocks this summer to get a decent run. There is no-one knocking the door down. Crawley will be around the England setup for a long time, but his technique in red ball cricket does not look ready for the top of the order, maybe he can slot in at 5/6 (hopefully alongside Pope)?
Bohannon at Lancs as a curveball. Best batsmen in the league but not previously been on the radar.Feel Burns, Hameed, Pope and Buttler are also nailed down despite some of their form. The number 3 position continues to ask questions but probably Malan will stay. Difficult to see who can come in from the County game at the moment. Can’t see any stand out 4 day batsmen knocking the door down.
Leach always seems to get treated harshly. Very unfair. Ali probably went in due to his all round skills and the concern around the batting but hasn’t really performed with the ball.Leach quite good in India. Should be given a go. I don't get the Moeen Ali obsession in tests.
Dhoni is one of the worst test captains of my time watching cricket(not just of India), so definitely yes.If Kohli pulls of a test series win in England is he a better test captain than Dhoni?
Yeah just had a look and he averages 45, continues like that and he will have a shot. Feel Livingstone should have been given a go at 3 but will stick with Malan now.Bohannon at Lancs as a curveball. Best batsmen in the league but not previously been on the radar.
Liam at 3 seems a long shot mate. If he comes in it will be at 5/6. And his red ball record this year is awful.Yeah just had a look and he averages 45, continues like that and he will have a shot. Feel Livingstone should have been given a go at 3 but will stick with Malan now.
You are probably right. Just frustrated at the lack of talent coming through in the county game compared to the one day game.Liam at 3 seems a long shot mate. If he comes in it will be at 5/6. And his red ball record this year is awful.
Love him as a player but I think he has realised he could be a superstar in one day cricket.
Yeah, this game was much closer than the final scorecard shows. If Bumrah doesn't come up with those 3 overs, it would have quite probably ended as a draw. If Root scores his customary hundred, and gets some support from the other batters, England would've finished closer to 368 than 200.They weren’t in the first innings, batting conditions had eased up considerably by the second day. India were also ripping through the English top order when the conditions were helpful.
Which is why this whole ruthless argument lacks nuance.
Did India lack ruthlessness when they let England go from 62/5 to 290 in the first innings?
Malan is a good player of spin. Higher average generally v the turning ball.I'd stick with the top 3 how it is for now, Malan is dodgy against spin but he will do better in the Ashes. Honestly I like Buttler a lot but he will get the ODI captaincy soon enough and I think it may just be better for him to focus on the shorter form of the game.