5 off the first over. Wazball
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
How many overs would we expect? Root has just hit a couple of 6s. I'd have let him smash away. He could have got the score to 420 or 30 in 2 or 3 overs.
All about the mindset
That could've been nasty. They need to fill in that trench
Play until about 7ish I think?
And yeah I'd have at least given it until Root got out smacking it around the place.
Should have just carried on batting. Trying to make sure they bat on day 3 when there will be some cloud cover. Understand the mindset but dont think it’s the right decision.
Yeah I think we should have batted out innings,those runs left out there could be costly
Agreed, unless we take a wicket we've just given up on some runs there. Additionally, if Australia survive they'll come off knowing they've seen us off tonight and will be a little boost for them. Surely getting the Australian openers out in the morning having to think about fielding not just batting would have been good as well.
Not starting with Anderson seems crazy as well. Let's see how this turns out
Yeah same here we are giving them confidence
Ahhh I see whats happened here. Stokes thought there openers would be like our openers...
Wait, there's one more over?
Yeah now I really don't get it.
Yeah now I really don't get it.
Nice and hot tomorrow, Australia will bat all day.
Hmm have to feel like that didn’t really pay off and I’d rather have had the extra 30-40 it felt like we left, but exciting day and fingers crossed we skittle a few in the morning
Declaration was daft but that's the risk you get with a captain so ultra attacking.
Think our score was probably a little under par but it was a fun watch and Root was brilliant. Great to see him finally get another ashes ton.
Big day tomorrow!
Think our score was probably a little under par but it was a fun watch and Root was brilliant. Great to see him finally get another ashes ton.
Big day tomorrow!
Yeah utterly daft decision indeed
Fun day.
Love to see the aggression with the declaration, but I think they should’ve stayed out there until Root got out swinging.
Love to see the aggression with the declaration, but I think they should’ve stayed out there until Root got out swinging.
Yeah that's exactly what should have happened
Unless Aussie batters have a brain fade, this declaration is a daft one. It could very well cost them the match.
No problem with the decision. The ball was doing nothing though, which is a concern.
If you can’t see why Stokes has done that from a leadership point of view, then I don’t know what to tell you. Everything he’s doing in terms of building a culture is leadership 101.
If you can’t see why Stokes has done that from a leadership point of view, then I don’t know what to tell you. Everything he’s doing in terms of building a culture is leadership 101.
Nothing wrong with shoving them in for 20 mins when they've been out in that heat all day. Didn't pay off but it could do many times.
Bit worried about how one paced the attack is, especially if it's a hot day again tomorrow with no movement.
Need some early wickets tomorrow
Need some early wickets tomorrow
Think Moeen could do something - but he'll be expensive.
Pitch demerit points for thee, bazball for me..
Flat road. This isn't good cricket. It's T20 over 90 overs.
Flat road. This isn't good cricket. It's T20 over 90 overs.
England scored more in day one of the test at Edgbaston in 2005. Hardly t20.
Has something to do with the hot weather as well. Will see after both sides have batted but with the pace of the game, a result seems likely rather than a dull draw.
England went from 393-8, with Root middling everything, to 379 all out. Genius
Whose forecast you looking at? One I checked doesn't look too hot. A good few degrees cooler than today and lots of cloud cover.
Slightly disappointed by the day for England. Left with the feeling that 500+ was there for the taking with slightly better batting & a bit more luck. Australia really were strangely negative and I wish that Brook hadn’t gotten out like that
Well certainly at least 425
Cmon Zing you know more about Cricket than to call it after day one. It's turning and indifferent bounce but a good wicket to bat on.
Plenty more to come.
I get completely why people analyse the what ifs with Cricket. That's usually the whole fun of it.
Not much point with Stokes England though. They literally don't care about what ifs. They play on vibes and move on quickly.
Not much point with Stokes England though. They literally don't care about what ifs. They play on vibes and move on quickly.
I don't for the life of me understand that call. Unless they thought that the Aussies were knackered having been in the heat (which they're used to) all day and this would lead to some wickets. Clearly the conditions were favouring the batsmen. England should have just gone full slog mode and tried to get a six on every ball until we got bowled out. And if you wanted to play psychological games we should have just tried to stay in till the end of play and made them come out tomorrow to field for one over then declare.
This was clearly the hope. It didn't come off but we have to put up with this stuff even when it's a bit dumb. It is born of the same 'let's just go for it and see what happens' attitude that is solely responsible for the fact that sometimes someone other than Joe Root now scores runs.
Field placings make a big, big difference, especially in the course of near enough three sessions and the amount of boundaries that saves.
I have never seen a test match where Australia spread the field from ball one. That's what happened today, and England still scored near enough 400 before the declaration.
Placed in the context of the tactics Australia went with and the fact that they are impeccable ground fielders, it is remarkable to pile on those sort of runs.
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It's also stats probably so they can be aggressive at what they see as the right time. If there's 10% more chance of wickets between 5:30pm and 6:30pm they're probably going to take that as a possible advantage as long as they've scored enough to make it viable.
I'm not convinced he wouldn't have declared at the same time if we were 6 down.
All things are definitely possible under our Ben.
Don’t be daft
With the new ball an over or whatever away, he’s probably thought that best case scenario, Root adds another 30 runs. On the flip side, it wouldn’t be unheard to get a wicket or even two in the remaining overs, which is worth far more than 30 runs.
Ignoring that, he’s clearly setting a marker and showing the players he means what he says and he’s not bluffing. Sometimes that’s worth more than getting the immediate decision right every time. My job is heavily about leadership, and from my point of view anyway, it’s pretty obvious why he’s made that decision looking more longer term.