If we can sign him for between 40-50 mil I would be very happy with him. Think he is a very versatile player that has a lot of passion for the game. He's young, English, athletic and has a lot of other positive attributes. I still think there are other midfielders we could sign that I would prefer, but I wouldn't be unhappy at all with the signing.
Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Good points.
One thing I will say though, is Glaston seems to believe that players don't ultimately decide where they go no matter the length of their current contract. They absolutely can be kept an extra year against their wishes and we have seen cases of this, but when a player wants to leave they always get there way within 12 months.
It's simply he nature of the relationship. It's not worth keeping an unhappy player long against their wishes. It doesn't make sporting or financial sense.
That is not to suggest any of Spurs best players want to leave currently. It's just to say that Spurs are no different to any other club on the planet.
Don't know why everyone is writing him off as he cleary has a very high ceiling. He'd make a really good anchor man or shielder for us who would easily handle the defensive duties and free up both Pogba & Herrera.
Dier is a solid role player with loads of potential who will grow even further.
We're really missing a Hargreaves type of player, so I'd very much welcome him here.
Besides that, outside of Matic, Ndidi, Fabinho etc, Dier is probably the only realistic option available. So you have to take whatever is available at the moment.
Dier is a solid role player with loads of potential who will grow even further.
We're really missing a Hargreaves type of player, so I'd very much welcome him here.
Besides that, outside of Matic, Ndidi, Fabinho etc, Dier is probably the only realistic option available. So you have to take whatever is available at the moment.
I made a thread a while back about the unsustainability of Spur's wage structure and how players will start to want to leave this summer.
Levy can either start paying players their market value or start letting them leave when they want. If he fails to do both he will simply poison the well of his own team and performances will suffer on the pitch.
The smart money says that Spurs are skint or poor in Premier League terms due to their stadium move so it seems to me he has one sensible option.
I'd wager Ndidi would be available for a lower fee, sure he's commented about wanting to play for United. As what will be a critical position for United next season, the thought of taking whatever is available doesn't come across as appealing. United need to be in for the best player for the role. Personally would like to see Axel given the chance, I'd say he's ready for regular gametime, he's an outstanding young player.
This has the feeling of the typical deadline day United-Levy saga.
Only in favor of this move if we offer the money quickly, and if Spurs refuse, move on to other targets. We can't waste time negotiating with that cnut.
Only in favor of this move if we offer the money quickly, and if Spurs refuse, move on to other targets. We can't waste time negotiating with that cnut.
So it says in the article that Spurs have told United that they don't want to sell him at all and it's Dier who's pushing for the move due to double increase in wages. Don't think this is going to happen.
Offer 50m and we'll get him
As far as player quality go, I don't want him, I think he's distinctly average player who doesn't deserve the 50m price tag, would rather have Matic, atleast he has shown genuine world class pedigree(although in 1 and half season)
We seem to think we'll sign him just because he wants the move.
How we've made other plans.
How we've made other plans.
One big thing in fav our of getting Dier is his nationality, like it or lump it, I feel it is important for us to have a strong English (British) contingent of players, unlike Arsenal and Chelsea it has been part of our identity, not something which should be disgarded lightly.
Looking at next season we have Rashford, who may or may not be a starter, but will probably see reduced playing time to last season, Carrick who is winding down, Smalling, Jones and Shaw none of whom are guaranteed to be first choice, most likely not if Bailey an Lindelof are fit, and if rumours are anywhere near accurate that we are on the hunt for a new left back.
Dier can be a very good player, not sure he has shown a consistency to hit the heights but he is still young, it is reasonable to think he will improve, he is also pretty much guaranteed an England spot.
Marketing wise and for the moral high ground the more players we get into the England team the better, right now there are not that many great English players out there that would improve our squad. Has Dier reached the pinacle of DM players yet, no, but he has potential, does he improve our team, yes.... and £50m would probably be mostly offset by the decent image rights we would gain.
Looking at next season we have Rashford, who may or may not be a starter, but will probably see reduced playing time to last season, Carrick who is winding down, Smalling, Jones and Shaw none of whom are guaranteed to be first choice, most likely not if Bailey an Lindelof are fit, and if rumours are anywhere near accurate that we are on the hunt for a new left back.
Dier can be a very good player, not sure he has shown a consistency to hit the heights but he is still young, it is reasonable to think he will improve, he is also pretty much guaranteed an England spot.
Marketing wise and for the moral high ground the more players we get into the England team the better, right now there are not that many great English players out there that would improve our squad. Has Dier reached the pinacle of DM players yet, no, but he has potential, does he improve our team, yes.... and £50m would probably be mostly offset by the decent image rights we would gain.
How are so many people happy with £50 million for Dier but not Perasic. Perasic is worth closer to that value than Dier who frankly is pretty average.
He seems like a player who'd have Stones'esque performances in the CL vs good sides. Absolutely ripped apart by skillfull midfielders and attackers. Dont know why.
I'd be so underwhelmed by this signing, I simply don't think he's a particularly good footballer. If he was 3 or 4 inches shorter I don't think he'd be anywhere near a top 6 team.
Both their prices are insane, even in today's market. But as usual, we'll bend over.
Got the feeling this summer that we are going to successfully buy players their current clubs are very content to sell.
Not worth the 50m quoted but would still do a decent job as DM, only 23 so can improve a lot. The potential for earning more money and a chance to win trophies is plain to see why he would want to leave Spurs. Would rather have Fabinho or Matic in the squad but wouldnt be disappointed with signing Dier.
I think there's only about 8 players in world football who people appear to rate on here.
You're only as good as your last game.
A lot of people would be holding their hands up and admitting they got it wrong if we signed him, certainly in the long run.
If only he was called Dierinho.
If only he was called Dierinho.
Yes and every one of those 8 is over 28 years old, except Fabinho.
Dier is 23, Perisic is 28, that's a five year difference. By all accounts both of them are not worth the prices quoted, but Dier could offer a longer service to the club, and is pretty young and could improve. Perisic at 28 has probably reached his potential and this is his peak, plus he's a winger and as soon as his physical attributes decline he's done, yes there are players like Robben and Ribery but he's not even close to their talent. Perisic could offer us 2-3 years max while Dier could be hear 10 years since in his position he could adapt his game much more then a winger, in my opinion.
Imagine spending hundreds of millions on building a new team with the ambition of joining the elite (Bayern, Barca, Madrid) and end up with Eric fecking Dier as the cog in the engine room.
It'll be the first time ever that I've been genuinely sickened over a new signing if this goes through.
It'll be the first time ever that I've been genuinely sickened over a new signing if this goes through.
The biggest kick in the nads about signing him for £50m is that Fabinho would be cheaper and is a better passer, crosser and has an eye for a through ball that lukaku would thrive on.
Dier comparatively is just a brick wall with a long pass.
Dier comparatively is just a brick wall with a long pass.
You should email Jose your scouting report so he can see the error of his ways.
Yeh presumed it was age. Honestly people are too obsessed with age. Perasic is a far more proven player that would have an impact on our season from day one. Dier could potentially do that but I'm not convinced by him at all. 30 is the new 27 and Perasic as easily got 5 years in the tank
I'd quite like Dier - either way if Jose wants him that's good enough for me.
If only this Jose fella knew as much about football as you mate
It's Perisic.
We all know that Jose is quite a regressive coach. He denies the opponent their game plan and then creates a strategy for winning from there.
Perhaps at CDM Fabinho is undisciplined for the role as Mourinho sees it.
Yeah considering the money we have to spend and wages we can offer its not like we're shopping in the bargain basement. If Mourinho has chosen Dier, its after copious scouting for a player who will fit his formation.
Haha shot down biatch...
There's a ring of truth here, it seems. I think Jose needs to take risks in building, and I like the way he's going about building the spine for the long term.
Which is exactly what we need
You have a wrong view though, considering that he doesn't count as homegrown. And we already signed a homegrown player in Lukaku.
I have to agree. Fabinho is good no doubt about that, but people here are one step away from starting to compare him to Roy Keane and Vieira it's crazy. He's not the only DMF in the world that can cut the ball and pass it up front.
We should close down the forum then.If only this Jose fella knew as much about football as you mate
Obviously there's no topic that's worthy of discussion as Mourinho is infallible and all of his decisions are obviously correct.
BS , we had a strong English / Irish / Scottish/Welsh contingent when there were English/Irish /Scottish /Welsh players of a caliber good enough to play for Man Utd , there are very few now that fit that criteria , certainly not Dier .Of all the home country's only Bale would add to what we have .Some of what we have such as Jones , Smalling and Shaw are no more than squad players at best and are probably on their way out over the next couple seasons .
How underrated is Dier on here!
Fabinho has an exciting name and all but Diers been fantastic every time I've watched him play. Not sure why people are suggesting they'd be "physically sick" if he joined or whatever.
i will say it's moot anyway, Levy simply won't sell to us. The Tottenham players might sulk for a few months but they'd soon forget it when the season starts.
It's NEXT summer that the well might be poisoned. If Spurs have a poor season there will be an exodus -eventually-, you just can't keep players happy when they might eventually feel they're being basically ripped off by Levy. But one more good season - and a wage rise for their performers, including Dier - and that will cement them as a proper side.
Fabinho has an exciting name and all but Diers been fantastic every time I've watched him play. Not sure why people are suggesting they'd be "physically sick" if he joined or whatever.
i will say it's moot anyway, Levy simply won't sell to us. The Tottenham players might sulk for a few months but they'd soon forget it when the season starts.
It's NEXT summer that the well might be poisoned. If Spurs have a poor season there will be an exodus -eventually-, you just can't keep players happy when they might eventually feel they're being basically ripped off by Levy. But one more good season - and a wage rise for their performers, including Dier - and that will cement them as a proper side.
Would legitimately prefer fellaini to start in midfield for 38 games than waste money on Dire. If we're gonna have a dirty lumbering player on the field we might as well use the one we've got. We told Madrid to feck off for trying to fleece us but we're gonna let Spurs do the same?