See the Chelsea game when they lost the title. Yes they lost the title but he went down fighting, kicking and screaming. Definitely got a cnty side.
Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."
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Think he does a bit more than just cover those positions tbf. He is good in them.
I feel like people are looking down their noses at Dier. Probably because he doesn't have a fancy name but he is one of the best midfielders in the Prem. He played very well in a very good Spurs side and he's still 23. I'd like to see all those being so snobby about him name players who are considerably better at his age playing the same position (I'm not saying none exist, but if he's that bad there should be PLENTY of much better players out there). Let's not forget he is Prem proven too. Imagine a lot of the names will be Football Manager type players who are unlikely to succeed in Prem.
I think like Lukaku it's because for some there's a psychological barrier with signing from within the league. Call it arrogance, call it denial, but definitely think there's a 'Not United quality' assumption about signing pretty much anyone from any other club in the league, as if psychologically it's still the United-dominant 90s and the only players we should expect to sign are top-quality overseas talent and not domestic riff-raff.
Not that it isn't fine to not rate Dier but given his profile I think there's a certain portion of fans who'd not rate him or want him to sign regardless of ability.
I think you've hit the nail on the head here. Slightly different players but let's take Carrick, he was arguably less impressive for a worse Spurs team at an older age and he went on to be one of our most important players. While that doesn't guarantee Dier's success, his accomplishments thus far should not be looked down upon. On paper, at the time of signing, Carrick was a considerably less attractive proposition to Dier is right now.
Dier actually came through the youth system at Sporting, a fact many are unaware of. How Poch identfied him was nothing short of genius. No one else saw him coming.
Half the issue with those who don't want Dier see him as a center-back, which in my opinion is a false assessment. His best season for Spurs came during Leicester's triumph, where he was deployed as a defenisve mid for the majority of it. He was so good in the role that he earned a call-up to the England squad and was largely one of our best players in the lead up to the Euros. Of course the only game people remember is the France game where he was outplayed by Pogba. Is it really a surprise, or even a slight on Dier, that one of the worlds best midfielders outplayed him?
last season he was shifted to CB after Alderweireld (think it was him) got injured, allowing Wanyama to take his place at DM. He was so solid at CB, Poch decided to switch to a back 3 after Alderweireld returned from injury. All season long Spurs seamlessly switched formations (during the game at times) and this was entirely down to Dier's versatile skillset.
People try to claim that Dier was moved to CB to accomodate for Wanyama, which is not true, he was simply sacrificed for the betterment of the team. Similar to how Rooney was often sacrificed to the left flank for the same reasons. The lad hasn't whined about it once as far as I can recall, but I'm sure if you asked him which role he favoured most he'd say DM.
There is a good reason that Spurs fans don't want to lose him. His contribution to the team is difficult to spot for an outsider unaccustomed to watching Spurs, but nontheless significant in every way. Jose can see the potential in him, glad he is running our club.
I'm torn on this. So much so that I'm going to be one of those annoying people who asks themself questions and answers them.
Would I prefer Dier in DM next season than a 36 year old Carrick? Yes!
Do I think Pogba needs a pure DM behind him in order to be at his best? Yes!
Do I think Dier is good enough to be a starter in a dominant Champions League winning Manchester United team? Probably not.
If it's him or nobody though, then I choose him.
Would I prefer Dier in DM next season than a 36 year old Carrick? Yes!
Do I think Pogba needs a pure DM behind him in order to be at his best? Yes!
Do I think Dier is good enough to be a starter in a dominant Champions League winning Manchester United team? Probably not.
If it's him or nobody though, then I choose him.
We need to sort out the league first before even thinking about CL.
IMO Dier would be fantastic for us. A lot are too fussed about the price for him like they are accountants. I remember in 2007 how many people were annoyed we were spending close to 20m for Carrick thinking it was a nuts price because he hadnt won much and wasnt a "roy keane" type to compliment Scholes.
Not entirely true, big David Moyes signed him on loan for Everton when he was 17. Proceeded to not sign him permanently though.
He was not going to sign permanently and Sporting weren't going to sell him then. It was an unusual move to leave one academy team to join a foreign one on loan but both saw value in Dier going away for a year to challenge himself.
When he returned the manager put him in the first team.
I always wondered how he ended up at Sporting. Had no idea he actually came up through their acadamy
well he had played for
England U18
England U19
England U20
England U21
and had played over 15 games for two seasons running for Sporting... Im gonna suggest that most clubs would have been aware of him through their scouting networks - Spurs took the plunge for £4m and its worked out very well for them in fairness but to suggest it was genius to identify a player already playing for Sporting Lisbon who had been in the national set up for years is frankly laughable
I don't believe in Dier's rumors , would be perfect for us, but if it is true that the chelsea is close to Bakayoko, I think Matic will arrive
Something to remember is that he doesn't count as nationality homegrown, which makes his Englishness meaningless for everything bar identity/emotion. It's very difficult to justify a potential fee in that case.
He is not bad but he ain't that much better than what we have and he certainly isn't better than the other targets we are linked with.
Don't think there's much between Dier and Fabinho personally. Dier is premier league proven and slightly more versatile though, while Fabinho is more mobile and probably less disciplined.
If they're both available at a similar price, you can't fault mourinho should he opt for Dier.
I'd be less enthusiastic about Matic though.
If they're both available at a similar price, you can't fault mourinho should he opt for Dier.
I'd be less enthusiastic about Matic though.
I thought Jose wanted him as a CM beyond all else....
I'm more referring to the potential fees being mentioned. I can understand paying a premium for top players that also fulfil your various homegrown quotas and allow you to maximise the size of your squad, but paying a premium for English internationals who were developed abroad does not offer value.
Compare this to Lukaku who does count as homegrown, but does not play for England. The potential fee for Sigurdsson also reflects that.
If one or both of Smalling and Jones leave, we are starting to struggle a bit, especially with Carrick retiring next summer and Young on his way sooner than later. We'd be down to Lingard, Rashford, Shaw and Lukaku.
Re the poll - if its a case of Dier or no one then I'd vote yes, but I have to believe that its Dier or someone else therefore I voted no. His game for England against France put me off
Sigurdsson to Everton ----- Barkley to Spurs ----- Dier to United
£50m passed 3 ways
ah I know. Just wanted to mention Moyes not signing him.
Everyone saying no United fan want Dier, and the poll says 45-55%
Dieriho? That's pretty fancy.
A few links to Dendoncker yesterday as an alternative, which might be an interesting punt as he looks good for Anderlecht and is challenging Fellaini for the Belgian national team.
I don't agree
Also has nothing to do with him being english or not having a fancy name ending on inho as some seem to suggest but I just think he really isn't anything special at all, he can cover for several positions and that is it and I don't think we need that kind of player, definitely not for £50m
You're right, I just didn't consider the point worth mentioning seeing as how short the loan was.
I think you're understating things somewhat. If Fergie had identified Dier (whom at that stage of his career was relative unknown to the masses in terms of ability) and turned him in to England's primary DM, we would all be hailing the decision as a stroke of genius.
Many young players have represented England at various stages in their development, most of them are unknown quantities merely included in the setup to aid their progress, even less go on to have fruitfall careers in the game in terms of playing at the highest level.
How many England U18-U21 players can you name? As of this moment I couldn't name one
I love players who really want to play for the club.
I know he won't count as homegrown, but how is that possible when he plays for the NT?
Just sounds so bizarre.
I know he won't count as homegrown, but how is that possible when he plays for the NT?
Just sounds so bizarre.
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But 40% of the yes category want Dier simply to watch the live premier of Glaston goes in to Meltdown part 2.Everyone saying no United fan want Dier, and the poll says 45-55%
Tickets are being sold for roughly £50m last I checked.
And Pogba, Tuanzebe, A.Pereira, J.Pereira and TFM
I agree we could do with some more especially if they would increase the requirred number from 8 to 12 but we are comfortable atm.
Because it has nothing to do with playing for the NT
We're passing from our worst period in the 20 years and Spurs are passing from their best period in the 20 years.....yet....Spurs players are still desperate to sign for us. Somethings never change
Can we add an option to the poll? - "Yes but only to see Glaston have a meltdown of orgasmic proportions"
I'd guess a lot depends upon the situation of both smalling and Jones. Reports suggest we may have offers for both, and should one of them leave I would think Dier would become a priority. If both leave and bonucci is available, I wouldn't hesitate to get him in personally.
Regards dier's ability, I think he lost a bit of form last season but still played consistently for a team that pushed Chelsea the hardest. The most important attributes mourinho's looking for are discipline and physicality, so Dier fits the bill.
How about Smalling and £20m for Dier. Seems a fair deal for all parties. We need a CDM and Spurs are looking for a third choice CB.
Well yeah, i said i know he won't count as homegrown, so i am aware, but i still find it bizarre how you can play for a country's NT and not count as a player from that nation in your club.
Silly rule.
I dunno, makes sense to me. Kid is born in Brazil, but learns his trade in Japan. He's grown up in Japan.
The turd that just won't flush...