It took us an year to finalize a sale of 25 %. What makes you fecking think we will get someone in by Feb? For argument sake, lets say we get some one by Feb. So If we get a new manager next week, what makes you think that will be the preferred choice of the hierarchy to be formed by Feb?
It's honestly not.
Indeed. There is no silver lining here. He is the ultimate snake oil salesman, and Caf should autocorrect the Pep Guardiola is my idol to EtH.
Yeah. Cultists such as you are all we need.
Agreed. I think he's completely out of his depth and with worse players we'd be in a relegation scrap. Dutch managers seem to really struggle with the pace of this league, Hiddink aside.
Ineos have already lined up their CEO and have almost certainly lined up the DoF, whether that turns out to be Mitchell or Ashworth. Why then would they not already be thinking about appointing an interim (or permanent if Potter is what they're all wanting) in late January?
We are currently 14th on xPts. Imagine if this were a normal year without three absolutely hopeless promoted teams. Things could have been even uglier.
Are you a Manchester United supporter or a Ten Hag supporter?
It’s a very simplistic view of what makes a good manager and how to evaluate the work he’s doing. We’re not winning games we should win but everything I read about him and even comments coming from people at the club at the moment, give me some optimism. I think you’re mistaken about him. We’ll see anyway.
EtH deserves feck all. He should thank his lucky stars that he has not been fired 10 times already in this season.
ETH's in no position to be make that decision. Only when a manager has full trust and respect from the squad even result is not the best, that when he has the power to have new owner and directors dancing to his tune. Here everything is in sacking zone for ETH this season. There is nothing to cash in to buy him more time, than hoping the directors having no idea and no gut to change things.
I think they will have a lot of meetings with him and will speak to everyone in the club and will make a proper assessment of what he’s done and what he plans to do. They’ll also look at the results.
“I no longer read” - followed by confirmation that you do indeed read. And I didnt say you anchored anything on Ten Hag - it has to be poor reading comprehension at this point.
I don’t even think we rank especially high in terms of managerial changes. In fact, we take too long to part ways.
Exactly. I would add that it cannot even be only about finding THE manager. There is not THE ONE, unless you happen to get an exceptional figure like Pep and Klopp. We cannot be blinded by the exception that was SAF. Managers can work out or not work out to varying degrees, it is about to setting targets and reasonable expectations, hiring a suitable candidate (which we did with Ten Hag) , and moving on if the candidate does not work out as expected. Or maybe the manager works out for a while and then not anymore. Sacking a manager is a normal occurrence, not some catastrophic breakdown.
Why is it a right off if we’re only 8 behind top four with half a season to go. 8 points have been made up over a few games in the past. You can’t just write this season off
Your tagline.
Earned a chuckle from me laYour tagline.
It’s not a complete write off, but the chances of getting top 4 are very slim. Also, it’s only 8 points which excludes Man City who have a game in hand, but then you factor in the goal difference which is virtually an extra point, so in reality it’s actually a lot more than just 8 points.
Then the new regime is off to a bad start.
I didn't say you used the term anchoring, and trust me I don't read nonsense.
No one said we shouldn't make any changes . Manager change should be at bottom of the list is what I am saying. Say come Feb, if we have a CEO and sporting director and assume they have done their due diligence - if they decide to sack ETH, I am all for it.
Agree with this. It is so important to sort out the complete cluster the club has become. The next manager needs to be a coach without transfer responsibilities.
I mentioned the Leicester point the other day. No way would ETH be able to keep up with them. I’m not sure how a manager who can’t get the team to do anything right isn’t under the pressure that he should be.
I didn't assume so, I have already expounded on it - a point mind - you corroborated and engaged with for multiple posts going as far as agreeing Mourinho has outperformed Ten Hag - until you decided to pivot. Again, you can't argue objectively that any manager would fail under this structure. That makes no sense - it's waffle, and others have told you the same.
He'll drop Mainoo to stick with McT and Bruno and dress it up as taking him out of the spotlight. I'm dreading it already
I know I'm digressing in an EtH thread, but I disagree on the assertion that Ole is incompetent. Yes his team was one dimensional and only relied on rapid counter attacks, but we managed to finish in top 3 for 2 consecutive seasons, something even more illustrious managers like LvG or Mou hasn't been able to achieve. We also played some of the most enjoyable football during that period.
You didn't assume so
yes you did. And yes, you can argue the same, it's even been coined on live TV by pundits, and it's even been suggested here on the forum outside of myself.Thing is though, there's a lot of teams with better forward lines than us. Our first choice front 3 aren't even clearly better than Palace's. I have to think they could be coached better too as they can't possibly be as bad as they've looked this year, but what's really worrying is that the only attacking option with real class is Rashford and he disappears into his own head every couple of years. The rest are either works in progress or of questionable quality.
I think that we're all sick of short term thinking and the constant chopping and changing of managers. Most people now realise that the problems are structural and no one manager fixes it. Erik has a lot of credit in the bank from last year, people like how he dealt with CR7 and Sancho, they are willing to give the club and the new effective owners time to put in place the correct support around him to let him do a long term job. Sacking a manager isn't going to fix poor recruitment or infrastructure problems.
Changing a manager could, however, fix issues with tactics, coaching, and in-game management. You know, the things that directly affect the result of football matches
The list of realistically available candidates looks deeply mediocre but might be better if we can hang on until the summer, our season is over already anyway. I don't think Ten Hag is the man for the job but is it worth making a change right now, before the other issues are fixed, to get Potter in or, if we're lucky, De Zerbi whose side have 2 league wins in the last 3 months.
Totally agree, football is about results. We need a manager to navigate the challenges at United. ETH has fallen short on the above with his stubbornness of playing McTominay now and Rashford at the start of the season. Continuing put a midfield where CM is struggle. Whether it is Mount and Bruno or McTominay and Bruno. He needs to be smart with his team selection but he is not so he needs to go.
But what I find most perplexing is his stubbornness to persist with the same absurd team selection even when things aren’t working. I wonder if it is an ego thing …
To be fair , I think you have to have a massive ego to manage at that level, especially the top coaches. You think Klopp and Pep don’t have gargantuan egos? Of course they do, trying to get fixtures changed and use their status to influence things like VAR. Of course, the sport builds up players and managers to ridiculous degrees so they don’t really have much of a hope of remaining humble.
