Well if you read my posts, of course, I'm not dismissing a whole generation. I said elebrity and wealth were all factors, which have exploded with this generation.. I'm mainly talking about the changes within football. I fecking hate these boards sometimes. People will take absurd extreme positions to make a point rather than actually have a discussion and arrive somewhere different from their starting point. That's a debating society lads, not a discussion board. Of course, I'm not casting shade on a whole generation. This generation outside of football gives me huge hope and positivity. But the football environment has changed hugely in the last 3 decades. To think that doesn't have an effect on the footballers that are being produced is just bizarre. So we basically agree. that there are issues in this group, and we aren't really sure why.I’d just like to point out that I do think there are issues within the group, my point is purely that these issues aren’t because of age
Someone here you-know-who must be even more devastated.That pic now reminds me of this meme
I just read that the board are against ETH having Steve McClaren as his assistant. Why? The report says they would prefer ETH checks out the existing coaches etc, but all of these, even Mike Phelan who helped SAF to some great triumphs, are now tainted by their association with the failures in the years since SAF retired. ETH has worked with McClaren before and wants somebody he knows and trusts who is familiar with the United set up. ETH will be bringing in new faces to the playing staff and he should be allowed to bring in new faces to his coaching staff too. The board have been useless for years and their decisions have been woeful; they have to back off and let the new manager manage.The only way ETH will succeed at Man Utd is if he comes in straight away and gets rid of 8-10 players and not fall into the trap of trying to work with existing players.
Its not that we dont have good players but they have simply gone stale at Man Utd. If ETH fails at Man Utd and current players still remain, then simply allow one of them to become player manager cause the player mafia runs very deep
Yeah. Liverpool and City aren't better just because they are full of silky-skilled technicians; they are also massively hard working. It astounds me that people still can't see this.Those qualities are not necessarily mutually exclusive and he is also known to not suffer fools.
The likes of Pep, Klopp, even Tuchel are clear examples that a person can be both those things, so I'm unsure how that's not occuring to you.
Clever software engineers can also make inspiring and uncompromising leaders, again, examples abound
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And in football I’ve pointed to other clubs where these apparent issues aren’t the case, or other clubs where it was the case with past generations and isn’t now, because I don’t think this generation is any different to any other and sometimes these things happen at your side and it feels like it’s overbearing. In fact my initial point that you responded to was literally only saying that the issues are nothing to do with “Gen Z not being up to it” as another poster put it.Well if you read my posts, of course, I'm not dismissing a whole generation. I said elebrity and wealth were all factors, which have exploded with this generation.. I'm mainly talking about the changes within football. I fecking hate these boards sometimes. People will take absurd extreme positions to make a point rather than actually have a discussion and arrive somewhere different from their starting point. That's a debating society lads, not a discussion board. Of course, I'm not casting shade on a whole generation. This generation outside of football gives me huge hope and positivity. But the football environment has changed hugely in the last 3 decades. To think that doesn't have an effect on the footballers that are being produced is just bizarre. So we basically agree. that there are issues in this group, and we aren't really sure why.
Great news that we’ve started our transfer business. Bad news that it’s Kalvin Phillips.
Nope. Jose fan. Look at his posting history.Opposition fan most like.
Vlaamse frites in the vernacular.Flemish fries?
What they call a quarter pounder with cheese?
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So you agree with the idea that it's not generational? Now I will point out that United have been commercial since before SAF arrived and that all the big clubs are, that's how they all became or maintained that status. And no I don't think that the fabled commercial aspect has had any impact on the culture in the dressing room. If it was the case Bayern, Real Madrid and Liverpool would be in the same situation but they aren't.Why would our players be different from other clubs? Really? You don't think different clubs have different cultures? You don't think someone like Van Gaal who has been here has an idea about the culture of this club? You don't think the commercial aspect of this club has had a negative effect on the culture at Old Trafford. I do. I have watched us indulge utter charlatans in this squad. I think that has an effect. You don't think that there is any truth in Keane's assessment of our club?
I agree with the bolded part wholeheartedly, but it still doesn't excuse the fact that this group of players do not try to work hard enough during matches we've seen inferior players in other teams compete with Liverpool and City, they might lose most of the time, but they try their best to compete, Liverpool this season didn't even break a sweat when they beat this team 9-0 on aggregate.What I do is look at the players that we have, the players that we have had since SAF left and I see inferior players, I look at the coaching staffs and I see inferior coaches. It's puzzling that people keep making statements around attitude when we have inferior athletes/technicians and inferior managers, our issues are clearly linked to football abilities
Has this been shared yet? It’s a great read. Exciting stuff.
The problem with comparing us to inferior teams is that these inferior teams are used to be utterly dominated, it's normal, it doesn't affect their confidence. To give you an example I would use Tottenham or Arsenal against Bayern, you remember those games where Bayern toyed with these teams. And I would like to point to the fact these same players were the kings of comebacks last season, their issue isn't effort or even being weak but there is a point where you lose faith and it's over.I agree with the bolded part wholeheartedly, but it still doesn't excuse the fact that this group of players do not try to work hard enough during matches we've seen inferior players in other teams compete with Liverpool and City, they might lose most of the time, but they try their best to compete, Liverpool this season didn't even break a sweat when they beat this team 9-0 on aggregate.
Wow. Thanks. Hope he gets the players he need and not what the board wants.Has this been shared yet? It’s a great read. Exciting stuff.
Can't wait til he ships out fecking Lee Grant. He's toxic and stealing a living!ETH need to ship these players out on priority, it is as important as signing new players.
Paul Pogba(OoC)
Juan Mata(OoC)
Lee Grant(OoC)
Cavani(OoC)
Matic(OoC)
Eric Bailly
Phil Jones
Martial
Andreas
Axel
Chong
Williams or Telles or Both
Id say rashford will thrive under him with some proper coaching, Fred will be good with him although he’s been pretty good this season anyway. I’d like to think Shaw will be good under him aswell as I think he likes his full backs to push high up, be interesting to see who he goes for rb, and I’m interested to see how Bruno does under him.Are there any players he can turn around rather than sell and replace ?
Can't wait til he ships out fecking Lee Grant. He's toxic and stealing a living!
ETH's hard rain will come and wash all the scum off Carrington.
Exactly, seems like everyone - fans, media, ex players - have been brainwashed. As I am tired using Tuchel as example let’s use another Chelsea season, 2012. Chelsea were nothing special that season and would probably be fighting relegation had AVB stayed because it was just not working out any longer. Di Matteo comes and the same players turn into mentality and attitude champions and go on to win the FA Cup and CL.The problem with comparing us to inferior teams is that these inferior teams are used to be utterly dominated, it's normal, it doesn't affect their confidence. To give you an example I would use Tottenham or Arsenal against Bayern, you remember those games where Bayern toyed with these teams. And I would like to point to the fact these same players were the kings of comebacks last season, their issue isn't effort or even being weak but there is a point where you lose faith and it's over.
I'm behind the idea that we need to remove a certain amount of players and bring a new energy on top of adding quality but I really don't understand nor like the lack of sense and empathy that many fans and pundits are showing, you would think that these people have never been in tough spot, that they have never struggled mentally or seen someone around them struggle.
Don't know if they fall under "turning around" but I think he will find a way to work with Tuanzebe, Williams and Chong.Are there any players he can turn around rather than sell and replace ?
It’s okay. We kept the receipt.Reading this thread, I'm beginning to think he might have joined wrong the club.
We've signed what should be an excellent technician and a training ground manager. Someone who's known for his technical brilliance at Ajax. But it seems like most of you want is a hard man/personality to get the lads working.
Like we've hired a clever software engineer & what our fanbase want is a shift leader to run an amazon warehouse.
Agreed. If ten Hag wants a target man, he'd be a very good option by the looks of it. He would certainly be cheaper than Darwin Núñez, Osimhen and Abraham. Considering everything else we need to do, it would be sensible from a value point of view.Now this is the sort of thing I can get behind for identifying players who are a good fit. Rather than throwing household names around randomly.
1.95 m, according to google. I've been meaning to watch Sassuolo, since they are usually fun team to watch and have a few players, like Scamacca or Matheus Henrique, that are interesting, but I haven't gotten around to it. From what I've read, despite his height he's supposed to be mobile.I’m far from an expert but isn’t he also an absolute giant and mobile.Those stats show that he gets about a bit but I’m certain he’s also pushing McTominay/Pogba height if not taller
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Rashford I'm not sure about. The issue with Rashford, outside of his disastrous slump this year, is his all-round game. Its not great. His passing is just as erratic as Bruno's, arguably worse.Id say rashford will thrive under him with some proper coaching, Fred will be good with him although he’s been pretty good this season anyway. I’d like to think Shaw will be good under him aswell as I think he likes his full backs to push high up, be interesting to see who he goes for rb, and I’m interested to see how Bruno does under him.
Kalvin Phillips walks into our team, he's so much better than anything we have in Midfield by some distanceGreat news that we’ve started our transfer business. Bad news that it’s Kalvin Phillips.
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