Well it’s for the fans who have full faith in him. His inability to set up a team away from home needs questioning, no? It’s not just the EPL, Sevilla made United look like chumps last season and they were struggling in mid table in La Liga
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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My first doubts are starting to creep in with regard to the transfers and general plan. I just don't see how that midfield can dominate and it's ok being a transition team with an aggressive press-we did in fact press both Wolves and Spurs into some mistakes- but there's not enough control. Teams can just waltz through our centre or get in behind the fullbacks and the attack is blunt and we're relying on a talented but very young new striker to save us.
I want to be positive but i'm worried
I want to be positive but i'm worried
I'm not blaming Mount. It is the rationale behind signing him. Especially at the price paid.
What was Ten Hag looking for?
Do you think it is time to reconsider the inside winger role ?
they are just not arjen robben quality/consistency. why is he keep insisting inside winger/forward. ???
left footed on the left.
right footed on the right.
just like the good old days. down the byline. stretching the width.
oh , forgot momentarily, our primary striker doesn't challenge for headers or anticipate crosses and only runs into blind lanes.
either ways, the team is so unbalanced.
they are just not arjen robben quality/consistency. why is he keep insisting inside winger/forward. ???
left footed on the left.
right footed on the right.
just like the good old days. down the byline. stretching the width.
oh , forgot momentarily, our primary striker doesn't challenge for headers or anticipate crosses and only runs into blind lanes.
either ways, the team is so unbalanced.
I feel like I’m saying this again and again after every year. Yes Liverpool and City needed some time to acclimatise to Klopp and Guardiola but the improvements, the changes and the demands they made to the team we so visible from the get go. Yes they still needed players I’m not denying that. But where is our improvement ? Why are teams like Liverpool and City look well drilled. Even when they are bad they are good enough. Our lows are relegation level and our highs are not that dominant. When did we last eviscerate a team? Like not even give them time to breathe?
Plenty to be concerned about but what the hell are you talking about, us not getting Kane has absolutely nothing to do with Ten Hag ??
Aye, I'm starting to have my concerns about ETH, but I doubt Pep and Klopp last long enough to make the difference here if they were signed back then.
But...
We've got the Greenwood affair which is probably causing issues with the players. We've got Maguire who is hanging around, plus the uncertainty of the sale. ETH has his plate full all right and so we should cut him a bit of slack.
He’s got a tough job on his hands having spent a lot of money. Hopefully this is just a bad start and we can find some form quickly.
We were shite on Monday as well.
- Persisting with Rashford through the middle. It doesn't work. - Hojlund isn't fit. Martial is a crock. Sancho doesn't work up top.
- Having no idea what to do in the final third, not a single player seems to have a clue. - We have fit no out and out striker / Goalscorer.
- Signing Mount whilst letting Fred go making us even more unbalanced in the midfield. - We all wanted Fred to go. Why complain now when he's gone.
- Leaving the door open a crack for Maguire. -- You literally cannot force a player out the club. What's worse than trying to boot someone out. An unhappy player who stinks up the dressing room and mood around the club. Make him feel part of the team. Terrible man management to say you're not playing ever again. He's a first team player for christ sakes. The CAF's love affair of sticking them in the reserves for a year, literally never happens.
- Persisting with Anthony every game. - Who else do you suggest we play on the right? An inconsistent Sancho or a not ready Pellistri?
Could have prime Zidane playing he would do feck all in this setup
The balance and setup of this ’tactic’ is non existent
It doesn't matter. It became evident from last season the number one thing we need by a country mile is a striker of such calibre, and the only one available this summer was Kane. I no longer think signing him alone would make us title challengers (I used to think exactly that) -- but today for starters, if we had signed him he would have slotted one home at least when we were creating decent chances before the break.
This is the sad truth. We will struggle without owners with a clear plan and a better way to structure the club. We need the sale to happen and we need time to make it right. At least Erik ten Hag is a good step in the right direction imo.
I never said they were instant successes.
Sometimes you have to call it what it is mate, you can't keep looking for positives and ignoring the issues because it's nicer to do that. That's what gets us into shocking situations.My first doubts are starting to creep in with regard to the transfers and general plan. I just don't see how that midfield can dominate and it's ok being a transition team with an aggressive press-we did in fact press both Wolves and Spurs into some mistakes- but there's not enough control. Teams can just waltz through our centre or get in behind the fullbacks and the attack is blunt and we're relying on a talented but very young new striker to save us.
I want to be positive but i'm worried
Its not just the lack of chances and goals, the worst part imo is the lack of control. We push up high, but once we lose the ball it seems half the players are headless chicken making tactical fouls and the other half are spriting home for dear life
This is such a dogshit excuse. How many goals do you think Spurs would've thrashed past us if they still had Kane?
I do too but I think we still need to address some glaring liabilities in the team. Mount is squarely on ETH but its not his fault our right backs break down our back line organisation and we don't have even a half decent striker to hold the ball up high and stretch opposition defences. We have three weak points whose failings add up to more than the sum of their parts.
How does that not matter? You can't be like oh eth is a dumbass for not buying someone, oh wait we didn't have a realistic chance to buy that player? Nah doesn't matter.
Makes no sense.
We bought a cf just got injured at an unfortunate time. If eth tries rash again at Cf instead of just putting martial there or something I'll have a slight issue with that but we bought one of the best Cf options out there.
I knew people are going to post something similar. If he had finished those 2 clear cut chances in the entire 90 mins. They created so many chances and pressured us so many times, why can’t we ever create many chances instead of hoping to finish one or two clear cut chances all game?
We're miles of drawing to that conclusion.
Part of me thinks he is sacrificing these first few games to send a message of just how much he needs another midfielder. I mean the logical thing is to put Mctominay in, but he already knows he's not good enough and doesn't want him to paper over the cracks before the window shuts.
I clutching at straws a bit maybe, but there is no way I'm on board with thinking Ten Hag is the problem here.
Being excellent for 35 mins is not good enough, this is a repeat of last season and we hoped to have progressed from that.
Oh I am. I've been a huge backer of his. But, I'm starting to have doubts. Those two performances so far this season have been shambolic. I fail to see what he's trying to implement.
To his credit he showed last season that he can be pragmatic when needed. He's going to need to now.
If he still believes in this midfield then that can be worked on gradually. What can't be is points on the board.
If he still believes in this midfield then that can be worked on gradually. What can't be is points on the board.
I people are overreacting quite a bit. It's two games into the season and we've started poorly. But we've been worse off before. It'll get better.
Outwitted and outfought by a newly arrived manager who has just lost his best player and has called upon youngsters and loan returnees to make up his squad.
400 million, time and energy, and this is the final product?
It sounds harsh, but his days are numbered, whether people think it’s knee-jerk or not. There have been far too many games exactly like that one.
The club needs to stop wasting time with incompetent mates in key roles and get the very best recruitment team possible and install a coach to prepare their players.
Ten Hag can be as angry as he wants, but he has had time, money and ample preparation. It is so far short of where we should be.
400 million, time and energy, and this is the final product?
It sounds harsh, but his days are numbered, whether people think it’s knee-jerk or not. There have been far too many games exactly like that one.
The club needs to stop wasting time with incompetent mates in key roles and get the very best recruitment team possible and install a coach to prepare their players.
Ten Hag can be as angry as he wants, but he has had time, money and ample preparation. It is so far short of where we should be.
Ole still our best manager post SAF.
I dunno why Anthony and Garnacho do this. It often appears a simple pass inside or down the wing for the overlap is on and they just hang on to it and inevitably the move breaks down. Are they instructed to do this or do they not have the ability of a simple pass?
I would not give him a single player anymore.
He picked these players. He spent midfielder budget on Mount. He decided to give green light for injured Hojlund. He was pushing for 100 mil anti-winger Antony. He insisted on Onana and Martinez because they are ideal for his football style.
Enough is enough. He has enough to show good and dominant football.
He picked these players. He spent midfielder budget on Mount. He decided to give green light for injured Hojlund. He was pushing for 100 mil anti-winger Antony. He insisted on Onana and Martinez because they are ideal for his football style.
Enough is enough. He has enough to show good and dominant football.
Feck me, how much more money needs to be spent. We’ve got a good enough first team to be playing much better. If it was a squad depth issue, I would understand.
Should be a stackable offense.
The fact that you think that's even acceptable just shows how deranged the managerial cult in our fanbase is.
That's one part of many issues that we have. I did think we were better without the ball today, but just as rubbish with it. The only real reason Wolves didn't punish us last week is because they didn't have an awful lot of attacking flair. A Kane-less Spurs team with a manager new to the league beat us today. I wouldn't even say they were particularly great, but we made it very easy for them. The second goal was gift-wrapped.
Going all out for a player of Kane's calibre would have been more prudent, given the sheer shortcomings we had in front of goal last season, than spending a similar amount on Mount and an unproven centre forward in Hojlund (this doesn't mean I'm ruling them out already, obviously).
Sure he did.
Not like FFP consticts us from doing anything like a €30M purchase of Amrabat. But yes, a £125M Kane would have been an "Easy" purchase.
The Knee Jerk reactions are incredible to witness.
This is a pretty wild rationalisation. There’s no way he’s deliberately throwing matches to get another midfielder, we just got him one for 60 odd million. Even if we sign Amrabat or Onana his plan appears to be two 8’s sat near the striker to press and transition. Ten Hag isn’t the problem because United don’t have one problem, but he needs to prove himself before we start offering blind faith off the back of a decent season.
you can counter all your points
the only thing that is factual is that Ten Hag got it wrong
Could you explain the "free pass" he was given last year? He finished 3rd. IIRC the expectations from most here were 4th-6th going into the season.
Why is there no system or style of play? there’s no game plan the players barely look coached and he’s trying to play with 5 attacking players….I mean it’s comical