It's worse than the squad he inherited, with no room in the FFP budget to do anything.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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That's two players that held it together for us last season, same with Eriksen. Their fall off was predictable, and now they need replacing. Casemiro was a stupid signing.
Not sure what about the season is salvageable. Our best hope is probably to fall into the Europa and go all out for that.
Yeah because most of us would set a team up with 3 midfielders rather than the 1.
None of us know if he got his first choice players. The financial situation here is dire so I'd be surprised if he really wanted two loan players and Missing Mount.You want to keep the man who blew 400m and get rid of the players he brought?
It's terrible, yeah. But we somehow slowly amassed this shit-show of a squad over 7 or 8 years, spending feck knows how much on it.
This is my view too. He’s so fecking boring that it’s very easy to pick things apart because he says nothing that makes you think yeah, he’s on to something here
Dead man walking
Sure, but as I said in another post. The financial situation here is dire. I bet he got Hoiljund and then had to piece everything else together with whatever was left. This summer I'm not liking Mount but I see the potential of Onana and Hoiljund.
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Feels like we keep getting negative records these years...
It's funny actually, the best squad we've had was the one Mourinho left behind. And that was hardly value for money for what we got.
Yes! We need a cleanse. He was ready for it.
I think he prioritized Onana and Hoiljund.You think he didnt want £60m first signing of the summer Mount?!
Please
Genuinely think we had more about us under Ole. It's just completely fallen apart for ETH this season and he might be heading for an emergency sacking.
There's not a single manager in history that gets all his first choices. A manager has to, you know, manage
He'll probably be sacked by Christmas but it's sad that I don't expect things to be better when another manager arrives. It's a never ending cycle.
Erik has done himself in this season.
Spent the money he had poorly. Gameplan (or lack of) questionable each week. Any side he picks can’t string 2 passes together. Players played out of position. Creativity undone by slow zombie passing.
shame he had to do it all on his own though. The disconnect from above, letting a manager have to make all the calls and shots then overpay for the players (often Transfer plan C) is shocking.
I think it’s clear Erik has lost the dressing room and it’s only a matter of time. But it will be the same old shit with the next gaffer. Same disconnect from above mixed with the same player power.
Spent the money he had poorly. Gameplan (or lack of) questionable each week. Any side he picks can’t string 2 passes together. Players played out of position. Creativity undone by slow zombie passing.
shame he had to do it all on his own though. The disconnect from above, letting a manager have to make all the calls and shots then overpay for the players (often Transfer plan C) is shocking.
I think it’s clear Erik has lost the dressing room and it’s only a matter of time. But it will be the same old shit with the next gaffer. Same disconnect from above mixed with the same player power.
I’m not comparing it to other top squads. I’m comparing it to the teams fighting to avoid relegation.
If ETH stays on we’ll get relegated. The last time we started with 8 defeats in 15 games was 1973 and we went down.
This team is still too good to get relegated. Sack Erik and quickly move on.
Don't want him sacked but he just looks totally out of ideas.
Except we signed Mount first, tore up De Geas contract after signing Mount, and were known to be looking at Kolo Muani and Kane
Mount was the number 1 priority.
The more we spend, the worse we get; we never managed to match Jose's points tally despite spending how much since we binned him off.
I'm serious when I say this: It's genuinely impressive that we've fecked up player and managerial recruitment this badly for a whole decade. That takes serious commitment.
That's absolute nonsense respectively 8 of the 16 players signed have history in the Eredivise. There's valid reports that the club wanted nothing to do with Antony. By the same merit Kolo-Muani was the recruitments choice over Hojlund which signifies that it's the managers signings. Mount said Erik had a conversation with him before moving. Amrabat and Eriksen have played under the manager. There was also reports in the first window that Erik dismissed the scouting infrastructure in favour of his selection. It's almost like many here will make up a new narrative to pacify the managers poor performance.
What annoys me to be fair is that we stopped creating for too long.
Even my patience is wearing thin on the lack of attacking prowess.
Even my patience is wearing thin on the lack of attacking prowess.
Is this still a bad patch?
Ok, fair. I still think there is so much wrong with the club he is but a symptom.
Well it should be compared to other top squads, and in that sense, it's a fecking abomination.
Last 37 games in all comps. GD of -1.
If anyone thinks a manager with results like that can become a Premier League title winning manager 1 day, they should go buy tickets to the moon.
defensive injuries have been a nuisance, but frankly it doesn't excuse the lack of attacking threat, creativity, passion, desire, effort, cohesion etc
Honestly tonight was a performance that gets a manager sacked or eventually sacked over the next week
Honestly tonight was a performance that gets a manager sacked or eventually sacked over the next week
I really thought EtH was the one. His first season reinforced my view. I still think he is a good coach (Rashford, AWB improved greatly under him last season) but he has a no idea what to do in the transfer market. It reminds me of him sticking up for Ovrermars after the latter's scandal came out. EtH knew how instrumental Overmars was in building the Ajax side. EtH needs a strong guiding hand in the market in the form of a DoF with a coherent vision. Unfortunately we are a relic of the past who just give managers all the power and ask him to do the job of head coach and head scout. It's been that way since SAF, but there is only one SAF. And as a result here we are.
All of the above can and should be majorly attributed to the Glazers. But EtH's biggest failing in my view is abandoning what worked last season and going with a suicidal 4-3-3 with an aging DM as the anchor. It all starts from there. And he isn't changing it either. If he admitted he was wrong after the first few games, the players' confidence wouldn't hit the rock bottom it has now. Now the players have done what they always do and have given up. He'll probably get sacked and I won't be against it. But first and foremost the upper management needs to change for there to be any hope.
All of the above can and should be majorly attributed to the Glazers. But EtH's biggest failing in my view is abandoning what worked last season and going with a suicidal 4-3-3 with an aging DM as the anchor. It all starts from there. And he isn't changing it either. If he admitted he was wrong after the first few games, the players' confidence wouldn't hit the rock bottom it has now. Now the players have done what they always do and have given up. He'll probably get sacked and I won't be against it. But first and foremost the upper management needs to change for there to be any hope.
It is but it’s too late to worry about that. Just get an interim manager to give the players a jolt at least.
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.”
Took me a while to get there but I’m edging towards the ETH out camp now. It’s going to be nigh on impossible for him to turn sentiment around.
Took me a while to get there but I’m edging towards the ETH out camp now. It’s going to be nigh on impossible for him to turn sentiment around.
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No positive man-management skills, no charisma, no tactics, no personality. Arnold and them geezers are mad, how high were they when he was interviewed?
Rangnick was the last pick... that didn't go too well.
Exactly. Pretty sure it’s almost even when it comes to wins and defeats too
No one would care what he sounds like if he was able to coach
Lose to Copenhagen and I think he's gone.
I hope we end up fighting relegation. It would at least bring some excitement to the games. And if we actually do get relegated, there is a high chance the Glazers will sell.
We cannot judge him until he gets 3 more years, £800m to rebuild the squad and gets all of De Jong, Kane, Mbappe and Rice.
Sounds like a great business idea - there's plenty of mugs on here. Sorry I meant customers.