The issue with Jose is his problem solving skill is boring short term bandaid fix.
You don't seem to actually watch our games.You’re the one saying we can’t sack the manager because the players ‘win’!
It’s a fecking fantasy land where it’s them against us and the manager. They’ve got to be whipped and barked at to do anything noteworthy because they hate everything about playing football. Like they’re all here against their will, begrudgingly scoring goals and celebrating in front of the fans because the manager instructed them to.
Have a word with yourself. They want to win and perform more than you’ll ever know.
I see a bunch of players set up in the worst possible way which leads to them giving up because they won’t score if they play for two full weeks anyway.
Of this football year, 23-24 season. Unless I’m forgetting a worse one already.
All players that were well known to scouts around the world and he also identified some very average players and clearly had very little clue about what to do to sort out Man Utd. Like everyone else we've appointed tbf, but pining for fecking Rangnick is just ludicrous. It's like going "if only Liz Truss hadn't been cast aside".
Not me. I've been decribed as a constant hater. One poster even mentioned that when I praised our form last season I struggled to give him any credit or praise. A United supporting friend of mine credited me over the weekend because he admired my consistency of having never rated ETH and didn't really flip even after last season. Think he was always overrated personally. Lived off of one cup run which ultimately ended in failure
To be fair, they haven't had the ability to play football removed from them. They're not robots, if they were they'd probably be better. You're removing a little bit too much blame from this group of players, many of which have let the club down far too many times at this point.
Your initial argument was that the players actually really want to win and fight for the club, yet you've pivoted into saying they aren't actually even trying and that's okay because... reasons. Windmilling. There's zero excuse for ever "giving up" regardless of what you think of the manager's tactics or anything else. Many of these charlatans have given up and downed tools for a slew of different managers now. I guess we're still just waiting on finding that one in a million man who'll finally unlock the hidden potential of this great bunch of lads, who really love the club and the fans and are just waiting for their chance to show it.
I think we’ve suffered enough dull football. If we’re going to lose anyway we might as well get somebody fun and at least when we lose we might score a couple.
Profile of players he identified was one more suitable for PL and certainly for the seemingly less 'technical style our managers invariably fall into. Plus if he was in charge of when and how to acquire them, it's fairly certain we wouldn't have bene stung buying them when their price had maxxed out, or being held over a barrel for a single player (thereby placing unnecessary pressure on those players too) . For what the club has spent, I'd have trusted RR more...hell, I'd have trusted several posters on here more, given the far more astute recommendations that I've seen on the more committed 'Scouting' pages...compared to ETH or the 'committee' that he either heads or supersedes
Thing is tho: that is pretty much exactly what EtH was expected to bring. His Ajax played some of the most entertaining footie in Europe at the time.
Not sure if sarcastic, but thats exactly what these lot have doing for a while now. get the manager sacked
Even when we were getting decent results last season it was rare the performances were ever that good. When was the last time United gave somebody a good beating? We’ve never done it under Ten Hag. It’s a fair point though, I don’t know who that manager would be but it sure as shit isn’t Conte or Simeone. I don’t think I could watch us under Conte.
Your rants are encroaching meltdown territory, to be honest. I’m speaking specifically about player ID, and again the players he recommended are, imo, better than the ones Ten Hag wanted/we’ve spent money on. Hence - “the funny thing about the £400m spent was that the current guy scrapped the Ragnick consultancy”. All this “pining after Ragnick and sorting out Man Utd” stuff is just you looking at clouds and screaming “dinosaurs!”
Imagine having him as DM and Martinez at LCB. I mentioned it during the summer window and so many folks mocked me for caring about such an antiquated thing as aerial ability.
Sure. Rangnick is so amazing he can only get a job as the coach of Austria. Such fools not to make him chairman of the board.
It's not about his management ffs. That has little or nothing to do with it.. It's a truism but there are lots of good Ass Mans who just shouldn't become managers or head coaches; likewise DOFs/SDs. Although at least RR had a 'plan' for how he wanted the side to play - not entirely his fault if our , on the whole, brattish and coddled players couldn't stomach the idea of playing a style that demanded intensity and concentration on and off the ball.
It’s why we are where we are…
I agree but he’s not going to make it through the season if he’s lost the dressing room, which he clearly has. He’s signed enough players to at least get a committed performance now a few of his signings are back? They all just look like they hate every second of being on the pitch for us. It’s exactly like the final days of all the others which is a major pity because ETH is the best manager with the best back room team we’ve had post Fergie. It looks like the club and players problems and limitations have worn him down and they’ve all fallen out. It’s so infuriating to see the players throw yet another manager under the bus.
this is what I was alluding to earlier, is the manager really in control at Manchester United?
Nobody here denies that Rangnick is a shit coach. That's not the point that's being made though.
So basically shit on a stick football with no effort from the players and lucky individual moments to drag us through some games but mostly found out in others. We’ve been here too many times before in the last decade. Something fundamentally wrong at the core it can’t surely be that Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and ten Hag are all bad managers who fall to the pressure of managing us.
Is that for real?
I would imagine so. Take this season, -5 GD in the league, -1 in the CL and now -3 in the worthless cup. So -9 overall, after only 15 games or something. Any serious club and he would be gone already.
