Because that bad culture can permeate even new signings and academy graduates. I'd suggest we've seen as much with Sancho, who seemingly quite quickly found himself in a group of Rashford, Lingard and co.
It's also not the main point I'm making when it comes to assessing the squad. The reality is that the available squad this season has not been "largely Ten Hag's" by any definition.
Your point is hazy because you're ignoring the main points made to you in order to respond to minor elements of posts with "gotcha" type responses.
As I said (and as you ignored), this line of debate is pointless.
The biggest issue with Ten Hag is a stubbornness or inability to adapt his tactics to the hand he's been dealt in terms of player availability. Banging on about it being "his squad" quite literally obfuscates that because it moves focus onto squad makeup rather than, you know, the gaping hole in our midfield, game after game.
I mentioned all these points to you, but as with many others, you've persisted with finding any old shit to fling in his direction.
I listed the Mourinho players I remembered and how many were still starters - I thought their importance was being exaggerated - you then replied with a list including
appearances and
seasons, which was not what I was talking about. To clarify I asked you what your point was and this is what you said - "
The point I'm making is that we've still got too many players leftover from a manager that was sacked over five years ago (or almost eight, in Martial's case)." You also said something about how some of these players would have been moved on in a well ran club long before it got to this stage. Your last paragraph broached on cultural issues at the club that can permeate new signings.
I then went over the 6 Mourinho players - and said that it's not entirely surprising that half of them are still here with how young they were when Mourinho was sacked as well as their contributions - out of those 6 Mourinho players; the starters are Shaw, Dalot and Rashford. Two of which are players that I said I'm not entirely surprised they're still here because of how young they were. Dalot is arguably the most improved player under Ten Hag, and Rashford - despite people often listing him as a bad actor (I don't believe it's merited) - has contributed the most in terms of goalscoring productivity under Ten Hag. I also said I don't believe many are arguing that United has been a well ran club, it hasn't - so I do agree that the other half of these "Mourinho players" should have been moved on
Lastly, I said that regarding the cultural issues (which was your last paragraph) - this squad is largely Ten Hag's - it is. But I'm not "banging on about" his squad in a vacuum. That was in direct response to you broaching cultural issues at the club. Yes, bad culture can permeate new signings but I added further context to the post by quoting something I find relevant to emphasise that I have no issues with buying/selling players, but I also have expectations regarding the manager.
Why exactly should he stay and be given a new batch of most likely expensive players when he is showing that he can't lead people tactically or mentally? And if things improves after changing the entire core why should he be considered responsible for the improvement, logically the new players should get 100% of the praises?
Ten Hag has spoken extensively about setting standards and a new culture around the club. Are we saying he's failed/is failing here as well, then?
So what exactly did I do wrong here? How did I
persist with finding any old shit to fling in his direction? Mind that, initially, it was you who replied about something other than what I was talking about. I've previously said that Ten Hag's shortcomings go beyond transfer/squad and that I find these discussions a sideshow. I've not tried to present transfers/squad as the "biggest issue with Ten Hag", so I don't know why you'd seemingly frame it as.
It's actually impressive. Their commitment to the bit is great.