Who would you like to see appointed?
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Is this referring to the moments of the game where everyone on the team was in a low block including Rashford so no one was pressing or?
He wasn't dropped. He'll start on Sunday.
I see ‘structure’ has replaced ‘injuries’ as the new buzzword for the ETH fan club. It’s honestly just getting sad now. The club need to put Erik & his fanbase out of their misery.
TBF Dalot and McTominay should not be going out to Palmer considering where they're positioned. Someone else should be tracking him but Chelsea worked it well and then he wasn't closed down quickly enough.The season summed up in one picture. Nobody taking accountability. Nobody making the extra effort to track an open attacker. Just everyone pointing but nobody doing anything about it. The organisation has been dogshite from ETH. Its getting worse as the season progresses. I can't see how he doesn't get fired, unless there is nobody better available in the market.
Yeah definitely sounds like ETH's agent was one of the sources for that.
You’re watching staff drop stable, long-term, employment at clubs that are supposedly better run/in better position than United right now at the drop of a hat - sometimes even burning bridges at said clubs - to join us, and your take away is “xyz wouldn’t trade abc for us” and “123 wants to build something at 789”?
Yes they do need it. Players are humans not machines.
And in work terms nothing frustrates you more than working for a prick who couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery
I think Uber the right circumstances he would have been great for us. Unfortunately he is ill-equipped to handle what a shitshow we have been, and hasn't done himself any favours with many of his decisions.
Obviously he was dropped. Not like he needs a midweek rest is it given how little work he puts in.
Wouldn’t be so sure he’ll start on Sunday either given that Antony and Garnacho had positive contributions and Antony offers about 10x the work rate that Rashford.
If he does come back in it’ll just be yet another ten hag pandering blunder
Nagelsmann will likely have better offers that he'd choose ahead of us. As will the other absolute top choices. Some people seem to take that as a reason to just keep ETH for another season, whereas I'm the exact opposite.
The reason we would be down the list of preferred clubs for the top managers is because we are such a mess and so far away from challenging. Unless you think ETH himself can turn things around and improve things significantly (and he's shown nothing this season to indicate that), we'll still be in the same position in 12 months time. If you expect the ideal manager will be available in 1 or 2 years time, the best way to get them is to make them confident they can compete at the top with us in a relatively short period of time, not have to come in and spend the first year or two training the absolute basics. So we should get a different manager in first whose playing style and structure fits with how INEOS want us to play, they can move us in that direction, and then in a year or two we'll be a much more enticing option for the top managers.
And of course, the hope would be that the first manager actually takes the step up and proves to be the right option himself after all. It's basically what Arteta seems to have done at Arsenal.
They were both clearly past their best though.
ETH is the only manager we hired who had the right profile. Turns out he didn't work out, but that's always a risk. There's no such thing as a guarantee; successful clubs just move on to the next one.
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I just feel differently when it comes to getting managers out of clubs compared to recruitment staff
Absolutely disgraceful that his tactics and performances with the team is seen as acceptable.
United has almost exclusively been a top 6 team in the PL. Unless you believe that our players are significantly better than they are, there is no reason for them to perform at a higher level without the help of a top manager.
Don't care how, win tomorrow for fecks sake.
Likely going back to Bayern. Doubt we get him. We should be looking at tempting someone like Inzaghi or Amorim.
May also stay as head coach for the German national team if they have a successful Euros.
Good list.
For me his philosophy to go each game all gung ho is a plus! We have the lowest number of draws and the 2 instances that I can recall where we do play much more for a draw, park the bus, we get shot up the most. Vs City and Vs Brentford.
Also the in game managent criticism is questionable. Many here have shown videos and evidence he begs, screams to players to close up shop, play wisely, but they just don''t seem to listen or open to being guided. Didn't he say that at the city game it took 20 minutes before players started to react to his instructions from the line?
I also think his man management cannot be questioned. He never attacked Ronaldo for instance, even after he detonated several bombs in his face. He kept Sancho out of the limelight, out of any question and was willing for him to leave for 3 months in a time when we desperatly needed him. The players also do seem to like him and noises about training too much, don't seem right. We had several games, the Chelsea one the latest, where players still fight for him when under Ole, it was just a bunch of extras in The Walking Dead.
He has strange kind of character, that I agree. But wasn't it Rashford who said last year he liked this new kind of approach? Didn't we blame Ole, other managers for being too soft on this group? In Erik I do believe we have the right balance of tough love and arm around the shoulder. He finds the good mix for this group. Whether that works when some questionable influences will be gone, I don''t know but for the group we had, the troubles spawned by Sancho, Ronaldo, Ten Hag was nothing but praisyworthy about it imo.
Care to name wich ones? For me it seems Bruno, Shaw and Rashford, maybe Casemiro and Martinez are the top pick but in the end, not good enough. Maybe Shaw but he is injured a lot. Garnacho, Mainoo are good but rookies and you cant expect a 45 game run from them.
This squad is capable of a good run, good finish if they are all fit. Good enough for top 4? I doubt it. We managed top 3 when other big clubs have troubles. The current level in the PL is insane. The top 3 after 30 played, have 2, 4 and 3 losses respectively. Last season when we finished 3rd we had 9 losses after 38 played...
At this moment, with our injury list, as @BenitoSTARR showed, we are punching above our weight in P6. Looking at P4 is just wishfull thinking. But I'm happy to be proven wrong and interested to read wich of the current squad you think is good enough for a succesfull set up (and also, what do you consider a succesful setup. Top 4? Beating City for p1?)
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There are many managers in the league who can do this, even with squads way worse than ours. Kind of makes the point about how tactically poor ETH.
It’s probably easier to do the reverse and say who I think would survive and suits it pretty well.
Onana
Dalot
Martinez
Shaw (injuries permitting)
Mainoo (developing)
Mount
Garnacho (developing)
Højlund (developing)
AWB (need to see more of him)
Kambwala (developing)
Casemiro (as rotation with someone new)
Bruno (can’t play on half turn)
Diallo (developing)
Rashford (physical profile)
I think honestly there is question marks over the yellow and the rest id say reasonably confident on not being right.
??? If it's been proven "it can work out sometimes", surely that's already a sign there's a good chance you probably shouldn't be doing it and gambling with club's future on "sometimes"? How many of those "proven" examples can you name and why it only being Arteta doesn't worry you when it comes to the club going in that direction?
The set up we are going to have don't they usually decide the style of play? Just curious. What if it is something ETH cannot deliver or are they just going to sign players that fit the style he wants? There will definitely need to be a big clearout. Think Varane and Casemiro will be gone for differing reasons for certain.
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Suppose it will partly mean, there has to be a list of options, like there has been in past but ignored by the powers that be. Will hope it makes it easier to actually build a team, rather that spending the whole summer going after one player as the price goes up and up. We will just move on to the next on the list. If you do that you don't get rinsed the same as other clubs know they cannot take you for fools.
Saw on Sky Sports a couple of days back that Bruno has created the most chances in the PL it was over 80. A top class strikeforce could have taken a few more of them. Then we would all be happy with his number of assists. Although that stat is probably sketchy as most seem to be.
I will agree he is brutal, but I think Moyes did more damage and set the tone thereafter. Moyes took a winning team down to his level finishing 6 or 7th which was where he usually sat with toffees. You don't take a winning formula and change it. As was in a training session and he stated "this is how they did things at Everton" to have Rio stand up and say, "This is Manchester United, not Everton!"
If the structure is total confusion and having players out of position, then he pretty much has mastered it.
Think it is not just the team, it is that the players have been given too much power, going behind the manager back, going to the press or one of their entourage doing it for them. That needs knocking on the head. They have to weed out who is the biggest problem in that department. Thing is it might not too difficult to shuffle off to talk to the likes of Woodward, Arnold etc. I am not sure the ones coming in will be quite as willing to listen to whinging footballer moaning about their lot.
A nice bloke but a fraud of a manager who has made a career out of nearly beating Spurs
He doesn't seem to be basing it on anything in particular thankfully.
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Yeah but that's too simplistic a view in my opinion.
Moyes failed because SAF had left an ageing, injury-plagued side - and let's face it, SAF was going to be impossible to replace.
LvG was too old / not in it for the long term. I felt had he been ten years younger, he'd have gotten us to a good level eventually. He's probably the only manager who has improved us tactically.
Jose was never a good fit. Some fans never accepted him and his style was just never likely to suit United. Nevertheless, we talk about him 'failing' but he won trophies and finished 2nd behind a team who have systematically cheated for over a decade.
Similar story with OGS. Some fans never accepted him and were waiting to jump all over him and label him a 'failure' at the first sign of trouble. Again, he only really 'failed' in that he could beat a team of cheats to the title. If we're judging on the criteria of finishing 2nd to City and the odd underwhelming season being a failure, then Klopp also fits that bill (I think Klopp is the best manager in the World).
Crucially ALL of these managers also worked with Ed Woodward, who was an incompetent buffoon. I'm not saying Murtough or Arnold are 'good' and they have still made plenty of mistakes, but compared to Woodward they're a dream to work with.
EtH has come in and had everything he's wanted, with reason. The fans were almost unanimously behind him. He's signed about 15 players, all hand selected. He's had 18-months of relatively little pressure from the fans, who have stuck with him. Yet he's probably given us the least reason to be optimistic of ANY manager. We won a League Cup with a very, very soft run but we've barely strung two good performances together in his entire tenure.
Not only that, some of the statistics / results are absolutely damning. Look at our G/D. Look at our shots against. Losing 0-7 to Liverpool. 0-4 to Brentford etc...need I go on....
I like the bloke...he's just not the coach we thought he was unfortunately
Yeah he's only probably in constant communication with Ratcliffe and Brailsford. Absolutely nothing.
Don't care if we concede a world record number of shots at goal or amount of touches in the penalty box, a 1 nil heavily deflected winner from our single shot at goal will suffice.
If ETH remains for the next season, main focus on discussion would be - what does he need, in order to succeed?
Obviously new, mobile DM, new CB and fullback, striker. That's 200 million right there.
Also he needs to move on from Rashford and Mctominay - don't see it happening.
Obviously new, mobile DM, new CB and fullback, striker. That's 200 million right there.
Also he needs to move on from Rashford and Mctominay - don't see it happening.
The only real difference between everyone on here in this thread is how long it took for people to realize EtH is not what we thought he was. A very tiny percentage of posters actually watched Ten Hag's Ajax and pretty much everyone made up their minds on him solely on that one cup run from half a decade ago. Which not only proved to be an outlier but it's such a long time in football that plenty of managers and players have gone from being hot prospects to nobodies in the same time frame. And yet you still have people clinging onto that result, using it as evidence of EtH being a good coach. You can see some are still desperate for it to be true so they'd rather believe this "structure" will change the way we set up on the pitch and will improve everything around the manager, just so he could perform better and keep his job. In reality it would be like buying better players around Antony to make him perform better, just to avoid selling him because we can't admit he's not very good.
Every incompetent manager says the same thing before they are sacked.
The reporter's follow up should be lower points, goals scored, more goals conceded and lower league position than last year, what metrics are you using to say united are moving in the right direction?