Fake news. First of all, possession style football doesn’t suit us at all. Not the players and not our tradition.
Might as well get used to that.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Might as well get used to that.
Even then Guardiola got lambasted when he used full field man marking with Bayern against Barcelona or when Monaco beat City.
Klopp had some ‘embarrassing’ results last season, I’m sorry I can’t come up with examples I don’t have time to look them up.
You are right they take it easy on Rashford, but certainly not Ten Hag.
Same person who tweeted about looking at some guy at Ipswich for Head of Recruitment which I have heard from no one else at all
You’re correct that the tweet isn’t reliable. It’s horseshit
However this is how James Ducker describes Wilcox’s role:
‘The task of settling on a very defined, clear playing style and identity – the so-called “game model” – and ensuring they have a manager/head coach who fits with that, and that the club recruit according to that way of playing, will be shaped predominantly by Wilcox.’
Which suggests Wilcox will indeed be in charge of deciding how we play and ensuring that the manager and players we recruit suit that style.
He says it’s Ashworth who’ll be building the structures and ensuring all departments are working well
True.
Exactly. Not many. They are supposed to coach with what they have and make the team competent. Then add signings to complement/add quality to the team.
That organization is common in american sports with a President of Operations and a General Manager. The former is in charge of the big picture that he dictates to the GM(DOF) who is in charge of implementing that big picture and focuses on day to day business.
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Obviously. Look at Liverpool struggling too
Got all my Scouse and Gooner friends telling me 10 more years of Ten Hag.
I'd personally bin Ten Hag as soon as feasibly possible, but if this is true AND at the behest of Barrada and/or Ashworth's wishes, then I'd be more inclined to accept it, albeit reluctantly. If this is Ratcliffe being indecisive then I'm a little worried.
Isn't Ogden notoriously clueless?
Doesn't really mean anything. Most of us were pretty chuffed when Arteta got given a new contract. I still want Ten Hag out, but I wouldn't hold rival fans banter as a barometer to dignify it.
Uh oh. They played very well against a Chelsea side who beat us and should’ve beaten City.
If we win it’ll be narrow. This is how we are coached. Regardless of personnel.
Fair enough mate good point. Arteta was an outlier imo. It’s telling though.
Our tradition is to win the biggest trophy's and have exciting players. If the modern way of playing dictates a shift away from counter attacking football then we need to get used to that if we want to maintain our true traditions.
The problem is there aren't many good options for a new manager at the moment. A lot of managers with potential (To do well in the Prem) but your go to big names are mostly tied down or planning for the following summer.
I'd give Ten Hag another year. The new structure at the club might finally allow us to see the best of him. 3 cup finals in 2 years under the Glazers isn't bad at all.
The only fear I have is, he might have lost the dressing room already and knowing these players they'll down tools by October next season, making it even more difficult to find a decent manager.
I'd give Ten Hag another year. The new structure at the club might finally allow us to see the best of him. 3 cup finals in 2 years under the Glazers isn't bad at all.
The only fear I have is, he might have lost the dressing room already and knowing these players they'll down tools by October next season, making it even more difficult to find a decent manager.
Read this on BBC just now:
- They have faced 20 or more shots in each of their last six Premier League matches. Since such data was first recorded in 2003-04, only Blackpool have been on a longer such run in the division, spanning eight fixtures.
I mean, the use of "I'm not sure about this one" was intentional as it implies and allows latitude for whatever ends up being the decision to be "right". Of course he's going to be closer to the issue, of course he'll know more than fans on a forum do - does it make him infallible? no, does it minimise my doubts? not really, but reading zealotry or outright writing something off as "wrong" out of "not sure about this one" is your damage, not mine.
I'm guessing the disconnect is I don't hold "highly rated" or "experienced" to the same degree of faith others might. I believe I've seen you describe Ten Hag being of/having "excellent pedigree" previously, yet here we are.
I won't simply trust something, especially if conflicting with what I've observed over an extended period of time, because "highly rated/experienced said so" - I reserve the right to hold doubts/question ABC and voice so - it's one of the purposes of a forum. That doesn't translate into exaggerated notions of "Wilcox's a fraud!"
either way, this is becoming circular. If Wilcox decides to keep Ten Hag, you're free to trust said decision, I'll be taking notes to cook up my next agenda - so I'll see you in one of those threads
(I'm joking by the way)If they do insist on giving him another year, they'd have to be ruthless in binning some of the players who've essentially held the club to ransom and would be looking to undermine him.
And lost only against Chelsea ? That too from 2 brain fart moments. I don't agree with this approach of conceding too many shots but "faced shots " metrics isn't really a stat to judge us.
It does make sense. Our hierarchy isn't in place and isn't expected to join before summer anyway. We already have lot of items to be taken care.
Why can't we sell these players who have seen off other managers and still appoint a new one. There seems to be a feeling we have to choose one or the other and shouldn't be like that
1 win (Everton)
3 draws (Liverpool, Brentford, Bournemouth)
2 losses (Chelsea, City)
I agree its probably not the best statistic to track, but does show you what company we are keeping at the moment.
Why not just make Wilcox the new manager? Makes most sense now, if this is true. ETH has never been a possession coach, so why try to make him one? Why do we always have to try and do things differently to everybody else, it's fecking mental. Just sack him and hire a possession based coach. It is that simple.
When SJR took over he did say that they would decide how they want United to play and they would recruit to make that happen.
so perhaps they already know how they want to play and he’s now delivered that message to ETH
Yeah, it seems like the available option is probably yet another Ten Hag. Let the new regime come in give them a chance to decide on what our long term strategy is going to be, and then lob Ten Hag into a bin.
It is when the opposition is getting to take 20-30 shots against you week in, week out. It screams that something isn’t right.
Ten Hag is relying on luck that the opposition don’t score more
I think people have just got used to us half arsing or ignoring problems, so the default now is we just do one thing at once.
Notoriously negative,look at his face whenever he is on that back pages thing on SSN
Disagree. Look at what Wilcox did at Southampton. He set out his vision on how Southampton should play then he went and hired a head coach who could carry that out in Russell Martin. I would be surprised if the same thing doesn't happen at United. Ratcliffe has already said in an interview that the football structure will set the style of play at the club from the academy to the first team.
It's simply another excuse to keep EtH, nothing more than that. Logically it doesn't even make sense. Neither Ten Hag nor this new manager would be the ones to decide if half the squad gets sold.
Ratcliffe doesn't want to rush into a decision without the new football structure in place that much is clear, it's the only thing keeping ETH in a job.
I like the sound of this....
That should be done regardless, as the main order of business.
Looks like they're conjuring up an excuse to sack him. They know full well Ten Hag isn't going to be able to change the way we play this late into the season.
Yeah no disagreements there.
Starting today? Sounds like bullshit to me, but we'll find out in a few hours whether it's true or not.
Crazy statistic. What a horrible way to play football