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So, next hear he needs to win the UCL, right?
Yeah it’s this sort of mentality that leads to 13 or 14 managers getting sacked in a season and many teams doing as bad or worse after the manager gets sacked. You either trust a manager’s overall ability or you don’t, you don’t base it off one off games.I don't think it's ever fair to say that not winning a major cup competition is a failure in a manager's first season. Knockout competitions are hard to win - that's why Fergie only has two Champions League titles, or why Guardiola has yet to win one since leaving Barcelona.
If Ten Hag stays here ten years and never wins a European trophy, that's a failure. If we feck up the EL from here, that's just a bit of a disappointment but hardly a managerial failure. Unless he plays De Gea in midfield or something.
Yeah I’ve listened to whole podcasts and read long article analysis on Liverpool this season that haven’t mentioned that game once. Immediately afterwards I thought it would be one of those long lasting things but Liverpool went back to losing and United are doing alright so it hasn’t.Then you may as well stop being a United fan as the 7-0 will always be there, even if ETH wins three PL and CL in a row.
The alternative is that you just get on with it. The 7-0 didn’t help Liverpool win the league. It didn’t kick-start their season. Hell most likely they won’t even qualify for the CL.
They are having a joke of a season after fighting for the Quadruple less than 1 year ago. That’s Moyes 2013/14 level bad. Actually it’s worse as they still have the same manager who should know better. Enough said.
I don't think you know how odds work, it's basically 2.5 times more probable that we don't win than we do according to those odds.or it will be his first failure as manager for us.
The current title odds are: Man Utd 2.5, Juventus 6.5, Roma 6.5, Leverkusen 9.5, Sporting 11, Sevilla 13, Feyenoord 15, Royal Union 31
Yes betting odds aren't really directly predictive of team quality but we are clear favorites and fully healthy the best team left.
The rewards of winning this competition are also greater than anything else we can achieve this season. We would get the first seed in the Cl groups and a chance at the Supercup. If you had to pick between top four and the Europa only a fool would pick top 4. The FA cup is tricky because it has been longer since we've won it last and I'd love for us to win it but the Europa is the objectively better prize.
This.Easier said than done.
This.
Poor ETH suffering from his own success. People keep forgetting its his first season, even Klopp and Pep struggled in their debut season. ETH out performed expectations and some dumbasses consider that the new baseline.
If you want to go there, then you might want to work on your punctuation. You should have included a comma before and a comma after 'fully healthy'. Pedantic, I know, but you chose to break out the insults.I didn't say we were, I said fully healthy we have the best team. This thread shows how lacking in comprehension skills people are. I said it will be a failure not that he should be sacked if he doesn't win it or he would be a failure or the season would be a failure or whatever else has been imagined.
Even got accused of being an Ole fan boy! what an insult.
Thanks for this post. I’d say no moreWhy is their such a standardised opinion going around that we need a second trophy in his first season or it will be a failure.
If you'd been told we'd win the EFL and (hopefully) get top 4 this season then most people on here would have snapped your hand off after the last few years. Seems to have been widely forgotten that this season is already better than expected or planned.
We're a club in transition under a new manager who has barely signed any of his intended players, and likely being sold soon.
Get a grip.
How can you compare 3 seasons with one not even finished yet?I kind of get this point of view.
I don't truly believe this but playing devil's advocate, if we don't win this or the FA Cup, the only thing he has over Ole is the Carabao Cup, where we didn't play anyone decent until Newcastle. Then there's the 7-0, which might just be the worst result we've ever had in our history. Not to mention all the other heavy losses we've had this season, which are up there with Ole final season results.
Sounds about rightSo, next hear he needs to win the UCL, right?
That's fair, my punctuation while posting on this site has been awful. The 'insult' (more of an observation) was not meant at you in particular, and is more about the things I mentioned like people taking this as anti ETH or that I'm saying this season would be a failure if we don't win it. I think a bunch of people read the thread title and not the actual post.If you want to go there, then you might want to work on your punctuation. You should have included a comma before and a comma after 'fully healthy'. Pedantic, I know, but you chose to break out the insults.
I said we are clear favorites which we are and the purpose of the odds was to help demonstrate that.I don't think you know how odds work, it's basically 2.5 times more probable that we don't win than we do according to those odds.
or it will be his first failure as manager for us.
The current title odds are: Man Utd 2.5, Juventus 6.5, Roma 6.5, Leverkusen 9.5, Sporting 11, Sevilla 13, Feyenoord 15, Royal Union 31
Yes betting odds aren't really directly predictive of team quality but we are clear favorites and fully healthy the best team left.
The rewards of winning this competition are also greater than anything else we can achieve this season. We would get the first seed in the Cl groups and a chance at the Supercup. If you had to pick between top four and the Europa only a fool would pick top 4. The FA cup is tricky because it has been longer since we've won it last and I'd love for us to win it but the Europa is the objectively better prize.
Rubbish thread. Drivel like this belongs on twitterWhat even is this thread? How is this even a thread? What is going on in here ?!
To quote another poster, “get a grip”.
Cup competitions can be tricky and can always throw up surprise results , but pretending that teams Like Sevilla, Sporting , Juve, Roma are anything special is taking things to other extreme .We have had essentially 2 attackers playing well all season, Rashford and Garnacho. Both are injured. And no striker really this season. And here we are, where not winning a cup competition with Sevilla, Sporting, Juve, Roma etc is a failure.
So tell me how are we going to score goals without our only 2 in form attackers and no striker (wont be long before Martial gets injured)?
Would be great to beat him in the final after the heritage rant.I wouldn't say he has to win it.
Utd are in with a good shout. But should get CL qualification through the league.
Juventus are also a dangerous proposition as they will see it as their ticket to the CL next year. They aren't going to get it through the league.
I have a feeling Mourinho will scum this title over the line with Roma
Those weren't the expectations in August. It would be gutting to miss both but we don't have to fool ourselves.Anything can happen in a cup competition so no. We probably should have won it more under Fergie but even as the best teams it's difficult.
No EL and outside top 4 would be a failure, do one of them and he's achieved expectations.
Feck me. Get a grip. That result was just the latest in a series of game where we got our arsed handed to us by Liverpool and City. It’s only a “permanent stain” to people who argue about football on Twitter and can’t handle hilarious “bantz” involving the number 7. ETH needs to win things at United and he’s made a good start, with one trophy bagged already. This obviously needs to continue but for reasons that have feck all to do with one bad result against Liverpool. And if it does continue nobody rational will care about that result any more than Liverpool fans care about Villa putting 7 past them a couple of years ago.In 10 years time, nobody's going to care that Liverpool finished 7th and we finished 3/4th. It's not even footnote worthy.
That 7-0 is a permanent stain on the clubs history. And he was the one who oversaw that happen, until he does something more notable in our history.
Yes the were. For any reasonable fan anyway.Those weren't the expectations in August. It would be gutting to miss both but we don't have to fool ourselves.
Fair enough.That's fair, my punctuation while posting on this site has been awful. The 'insult' (more of an observation) was not meant at you in particular, and is more about the things I mentioned like people taking this as anti ETH or that I'm saying this season would be a failure if we don't win it. I think a bunch of people read the thread title and not the actual post.
I am not saying they are special but they are more than capable of beating us particularly now that our level is down without Rashford and Garnacho.Cup competitions can be tricky and can always throw up surprise results , but pretending that teams Like Sevilla, Sporting , Juve, Roma are anything special is taking things to other extreme .
And About the question how would we score goals well ETH would have to find a way and others players need to step up but I have no doubt they would .
Or, you know, you could just not make stupid comparisons to a previous season under a different manager without adding context to either. People trying to compare ETH to Ole based purely on certain results are infuriating.I kind of get this point of view.
I don't truly believe this but playing devil's advocate, if we don't win this or the FA Cup, the only thing he has over Ole is the Carabao Cup, where we didn't play anyone decent until Newcastle. Then there's the 7-0, which might just be the worst result we've ever had in our history. Not to mention all the other heavy losses we've had this season, which are up there with Ole final season results.
Not sure. Those were mine too, but I'm very prone to get carried awayYes the were. For any reasonable fan anyway.
I think everyone would have been happy when he took over if we knew he’d secure CL football in his first season, either by securing top four or winning the EL.Not sure. Those were mine too, but I'm very prone to get carried away
All two of them?I kind of get this point of view.
I don't truly believe this but playing devil's advocate, if we don't win this or the FA Cup, the only thing he has over Ole is the Carabao Cup, where we didn't play anyone decent until Newcastle. Then there's the 7-0, which might just be the worst result we've ever had in our history. Not to mention all the other heavy losses we've had this season, which are up there with Ole final season results.
I will relay this message to ETH.or it will be his first failure as manager for us.
The current title odds are: Man Utd 2.5, Juventus 6.5, Roma 6.5, Leverkusen 9.5, Sporting 11, Sevilla 13, Feyenoord 15, Royal Union 31
Yes betting odds aren't really directly predictive of team quality but we are clear favorites and fully healthy the best team left.
The rewards of winning this competition are also greater than anything else we can achieve this season. We would get the first seed in the Cl groups and a chance at the Supercup. If you had to pick between top four and the Europa only a fool would pick top 4. The FA cup is tricky because it has been longer since we've won it last and I'd love for us to win it but the Europa is the objectively better prize.