Wasn't watching the game as out at a quiz so did anyone catch the eye for Atalanta tonight. Enjoying the highlights and they mentioned this Scalvini was missing tonight so remarkable result
Europa League / Conference League 23/24
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Lucky is one of the reasons why I can see them dropping few points in their remaining games. TAA,Jota,Salah,Roberton all named on the bench tonight and they all be starters for remaining Premier league matches plus Allison is expected to be back soon
They have Palace at home then 5 away games in a row. Can see them drop points on that away run, games like the Merseyside Derby with Everton needing a result to stay in the PL will not be easy.
They have Palace and Spurs as their home games and they aren't 'easy' fixtures by any stretch.
Yeah that's my big worry,scousers will come at them from the start and depends how they handle it
Whatever happened to You Never Walk Alone?
Yeah my thoughts exactly
Palace and Spurs in Anfield more often than not has been easy fixtures for them.
They are walking in bunch.
Grazie Atalanta
You had to wait three months for Kelleher to finally make an "error". Alisson misplaces/fumbles a ball every two months to concede a goal trying to play out from the back. Kelleher saved their a** many times over the last few weeks.
Is that just the Europa League mate? Because we had 30 shots against them at The Emirates when they beat us 2-0, and 25 shots against them when we won 6-0 at theirs.
That Jota dive is a penalty in the PL
They did. Leverkusen were magnitudes better than west ham. The quality difference was stark. West ham deployed terrorist football tactics. Only there to destroy rather than create.
Probably, maybe I read that wrongly then
Westham parked the bus for 90 min like an average mid-table to bottom-table team with no clear shots on goal.
Gotta say shock result of the season. We’ve had a few. united in the FA cup now this.
Glad I couldn't watch last night, seems like we had a complete off-day all over the pitch going by the reactions and post-match interviews. Also feel like Klopp horribly underestimated Atalanta, going by our starting XI.
Tough one to swallow because the Europe League was probably our best chance at another trophy this season and we've basically already thrown it away in the first leg. First home defeat in 14 months, can't complain too much, and off-days happen, but an incredibly bad moment to have one to say the least.
We're in a difficult predicament right now because 0-3 is an almost unsalvageable result but also not totally unrealistic to see us win 1-4 or something like that, so I'm not ready yet to totally concede the tie (which apparently the likes of Carragher are already fine with going by their Twitter reactions last night), but fielding our strongest XI in the return game also jeopardizes our chances in the league, so I'm a bit in dubio on that front.
Anyways congrats to Atalanta, no matter how we played - impressive thing to come to Anfield and win 0-3. Think we lost against them in the CL as well the last time we faced them.
"Easy" home game against Palace on the cards on Sunday, let's just focus and win that one first and foremost, before we throw our entire season away in 4 days time.
Tough one to swallow because the Europe League was probably our best chance at another trophy this season and we've basically already thrown it away in the first leg. First home defeat in 14 months, can't complain too much, and off-days happen, but an incredibly bad moment to have one to say the least.
We're in a difficult predicament right now because 0-3 is an almost unsalvageable result but also not totally unrealistic to see us win 1-4 or something like that, so I'm not ready yet to totally concede the tie (which apparently the likes of Carragher are already fine with going by their Twitter reactions last night), but fielding our strongest XI in the return game also jeopardizes our chances in the league, so I'm a bit in dubio on that front.
Anyways congrats to Atalanta, no matter how we played - impressive thing to come to Anfield and win 0-3. Think we lost against them in the CL as well the last time we faced them.
"Easy" home game against Palace on the cards on Sunday, let's just focus and win that one first and foremost, before we throw our entire season away in 4 days time.
On this one, and I've read a few places talking about a weakened side, it was for the most part your starting XI with a few tweeks no? And with players that have already played a lot of minutes and been important during the season? I thought Kelleher, Van Dijk, Konaté, Endo, Mc Allister, Nuñez are all pretty much starters, with Gomez, Tsimikas, Jones, Elliott and Gakpo not exactly being fringe players.
There's only so many players we can allow a rest if you look at our bench, we're not like City in years past who could replace almost their entire XI and still field a competitive team... The three subs at HT pretty much showed what our strongest XI would've been. You just gotta take it on the chin as a mistake on your part if you bench a player like Salah for a European QF at home and then go on to lose 0-3, no excuses to be made and it's on the manager imo. Couldn't watch the game so can't comment on the team performance but you also give out a sign to your team if you bench your best player.
Would've been better to go all out, try to get a comfortable win, and then bench some key players for the return leg. Now we've dug ourselves (too deep) a hole and squandered an excellent chance at another European final.
Atalanta are the CL caliber version of Bielsa's Leeds. You *have* to match their intensity and energy, otherwise you're getting brutalized
West Ham were 10 minutes away from a great result. As the underdogs they were unlucky.
Didn't watch the game last night but Atalanta were ace when they played us a couple of years back. Loved their style.
Id say Fabianski had two fantastic saves against Schick.
The last sentence is funny to me. How to judge teams based on one game and directly assuming how they would fare over a whole league campaign is completely pointless. Didnt you win at Arsenal this season? If that game was taken out out of the Premier League context and happened in Europe, would you have argued that Arsenal would struggle making top 4 in the league?
Watched it at the last minute as there was fk all on.
Brilliant viewing.
A great season highlight.
They should have lost by another 2 goals to be fair!
Still think they'll go thru though.
Brilliant viewing.
A great season highlight.
They should have lost by another 2 goals to be fair!
Still think they'll go thru though.
These mental gymnastics are amazing. Of course we wouldn't make top 4 in the EPL when we were at least two levels above the 7th placed team in the EPL while the first placed EPL team were lucky not to lose to a team that's 16 points behind us in the table. 27% possession, 1 - 33 shots - let that sink in. I guess some people are willing to convince themselves of all kind of things as long as they don't have to acknowledge that England is the only country with a decent football league.
Nah other countries have decent football leagues too. Just not Germany.
This was said about Pep as well and Man city
tiki taka will struggle, small technical players will struggle etc
And Pep's current team, the one that won him the trebble, is MASSIVE, and all are physical specimens. Pep definitely adapted his style to the physicality of the league.
Those are some deep scars to think they'll go through after that scoreline.Watched it at the last minute as there was fk all on.
Brilliant viewing.
A great season highlight.
They should have lost by another 2 goals to be fair!
Still think they'll go thru though.
They were up against a Championship level side, i read it on the caf!
Pep had won multiple titles in EPL without physical specimens. He even won the league playing a false 9
That's inaccurate. When he started winning titles, i.e. 17/18, his team had strong physical players like Kompany, Fernandinho, Yaya, De Bruyne, Otamendi and Walker that formed a strong physical base for more diminutive, less physical players to get on with their stuff (like David Silva). But his teams in England have always had a strong physical basis, and it's increased over the years. It's something a lot of the pundits remark on when talking about how his teams have evolved and become stronger and stronger physically.
Kompany played 1 season, Yaya barely played.
His starting 11 for the 100point season was Walker Stones Otamendi Delph -Fernadinho KdB D.Silva - Sane Sterling Aguero. I will guess only the 2 CBs were over 6ft. He got his highest league point tally in the EPL with these type of players
Similar to his Barcelona side where only Pique and Busquets were over 6ft.
That's how West Ham play in certain games. Concede possession, give ground, deliberately let the opponent have 70-75% possession, let them take very many 100/1, 25/1 shots.
The game then is to play into the large amounts of space that's left behind, priortising quality of opportunity over quantity of shots. That's exactly how Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd, Brighton and Arsenal (twice) were beaten.
Against Leverkusen, Bowen and Alvarez were missing which upsets parts of that plan, while Paqueta behaved like a fool (not the first, or probably last, time) and got himself booked early on so the counter wasn't where it normally is. Hoffman and Boniface dug Leverkusen out. After a bright first 20 by BL , there was an hour of football that was very comfortably contained. That doesn't happen when we play Man City or Liverpool.
And watching Antonio against Tapsoba and Tah is the reason for believing the PL would be too much.
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Liverpool are capable of turning a 3 goal deficit around and won 5-0 on their previous visit to Atalanta so could still get through.
West Ham are 2-0 down but are at home so have a chance but given Leverkusen's form its hard to see anything other than Leverkusen going through.
Villa's game is difficult to call and could go either way, Villa are 2-1 up but the Lille are at home where they have lost only once in all comps this season and won all of their home games in this comp except for the last one which ended 1-1.
West Ham are 2-0 down but are at home so have a chance but given Leverkusen's form its hard to see anything other than Leverkusen going through.
Villa's game is difficult to call and could go either way, Villa are 2-1 up but the Lille are at home where they have lost only once in all comps this season and won all of their home games in this comp except for the last one which ended 1-1.
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Thing with Liverpool is - they definitely are capable of turning a 3 goal deficit but it'll still take a lot of effort to do that. Will Klopp be willing to do that or would he rather try to he save his players' energy for league where they still can win the title, especially after Arsenal lost on Sunday.
They can´t win the title anymore. City is winning its last six games, especially now with no CL distraction. Even then Arsenal would have to draw a game, too. Arsenal have a slight chance with six wins, and one draw by City to beat them on goal differential.
You can say unlikely but with 'can't win' I disagree. They're 2 points behind City and on same amount of points as Arsenal. It's not like they're 4-5 points behind. Unfortunately I even give them bigger chances than Arsenal, afraid Arsenal could go on to drop points after Villa and Bayern losses.