I think he is talking about City. Look at the coverage, City are getting little bad press. Infact "Shiekh saved English football" articles are getting written.
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Perez is actually an idiot. He keeps complaining about the UCL format not working and that they all keep losing money. Since when did UEFA decide how much they spend on players and transfer fees and whatever else?
It's basically as if you buy a house outside your price range, get in financial trouble, and then blame your boss for not getting paid enough and being at fault for you choosing to spend too much in the first place. Guy is a fecking idiot.
It's basically as if you buy a house outside your price range, get in financial trouble, and then blame your boss for not getting paid enough and being at fault for you choosing to spend too much in the first place. Guy is a fecking idiot.
Have the Spanish clubs jettisoned yet?
Holy shit the guy actually said that the top teams in La Liga lose money and the rest win money. Maybe you wouldn't always qualify for the CL or dominate if you spent what you can actually afford to spend 
What the feck
What the feckThere is only one club that probably really didn't like the idea of fiscal transparency like Perez was proclaiming the new league would lead to - and I'm fairly confident it's not United.
This is absolutely insane. They guaranteed that two of the biggest clubs always get a free pass. Clubs who are decently well in the coefficient no longer need to fear being left out of the CL at the end of their domestic seasons... unless there's a shitload of them in the same situation, which never happens.
So clubs at the top level just need to qualify for Europa League, unless something extraordinary happens.
This, along with the other changes, makes the conspirationist in you wonder if this was all a concerted effort to make these changes more palatable. If there are no punishments it makes it even more likely.
I wanted the SL to happen because I progressively st all interest in football. I haven't seen a full game in 4 years. I wasn't expecting it to revive it, i was more like a "well, it's screwed for me, let's at least watch it burn"...
I really want to know which one of you wrote that. It's amazing.
Holy shit the guy actually said that the top teams in La Liga lose money and the rest win money. Maybe you wouldn't always qualify for the CL or dominate if you spent what you can actually afford to spend
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Lot of discussions on punishment for the 6. Has a transfer ban been mentioned? 
Yeah like that time they came down hard on PSG and City
Also sanctions for what exactly? What rules were broken by announcing and then scrapping a competition 48 hours later?
For all Perez's cocaine fueled nonsense the other night he wasn't wrong about UEFA being a corrupt monopoly that prioritizes it's own interests.
FP has a point, UEFA needs to get their shit together. What about FPP? What about this money they offered to english teams? From nothing, they have now 4 more billions. I mean, SL was not the right path, but many things need to change inside UEFA.
It's not a big deal if a bunch of people who are from 16 to 24 years old were in the protest outside the Chelsea game. It's a reality the young aren't seeing same football as they did before.
New UCL isn't better than the actual one.
It's not a big deal if a bunch of people who are from 16 to 24 years old were in the protest outside the Chelsea game. It's a reality the young aren't seeing same football as they did before.
New UCL isn't better than the actual one.
Yeah City are simply owned by a private individual, who just happens to be a multi billionaire, deputy prime minister and a prince of the royal family of the UAE. But City definitely aren't state funded. Wink, Wink,
Most English football journalists are in City's back pocket, as you'd expect with a sport washing project on that scale.
I wonder what the penalty fee is for leaving the SL.
It's doubtless less than whatever UEFA offered the English clubs to leave the SL anyway. Not something to worry about.
It's doubtless less than whatever UEFA offered the English clubs to leave the SL anyway. Not something to worry about.
I doubt it's enforceable or if it is that they'd even push for it. After all Perez will try floating this idea to the same clubs in one form or another in a few years.
Nasser Al-Khelaifi, the PSG owner, has replaced Agnelli as chairman of the ECA in UEFA. I'm not sure that's healthy at all. Al-Khelaifi is coming out of all of this looking like a saint, and that's not going to be healthy moving forward. Too much power and influence for PSG to bend FFP rules, maybe influence in selecting which refs will take charge of PSG games etc
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FFP is done, City and PSG didn't respect before and from what I hear UEFA are talking about 'relaxing' it. Which is probably a euphemism for abandoning it as they're seemingly powerless to actually enforce it anyway.
Maybe the Super League was a false flag op to divert attention from the horrors of the new CL?
No idea how representative it actually is. But I'm getting the impression that a large part of spanish football supporters didn't mind this? Maybe it's just random teens on forums but specifically supporters of Real Madrid and Juventus more than any, seem to have swallowed all of this up. Barcelona too, to an extent but not as bad. Real Madrid supporters (and Perez himself) seem to think they have this god given right to just have any player they want to have and should always win every trophy and be the richest club. So they complain when they don't have enough money to do these things. It's fecked up. Beyond fecked up. They're such a deluded bunch. I appreciate it's not all of them, and I hope it's not even the majority, but it's definitely a much larger group than what exists anywhere else in football. Not sure what the atmosphere was with Atletico/Milan/Inter supporters, but definitely the impression I got from Madrid/Juve for sure, and Barca to an extent.
Juve are an odd one as they have by far the biggest outside supporter base of any Italian club, and a fair few of them have been vocally defensive on social media... for Milan’s part, their Ultras have come out with a very strong statement against it...
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...Madrid are just Madrid
Hold on. It’s actually not the worst idea because it forces teams to take Europa serious.
Normalized. A percentage number comparison.
I think the best punishment should be resetting all their UEFA club coefficient for these 12 club to zero so they end up in lower pot for the next few years in any UEFA competitions.
This will also ensure plenty of big matches starting from the group phase. These 12 club owners wanted consistent big match, give them just that by removing their coefficient so they no longer be able to avoid other big teams during group phase.
Every Madrid fan that I have on my social media has been unanimously in favor of this. And I don’t mean kids, I mean adults aged 28-40. It’s weird. They really do believe that they’re above football.
I'm surprised you and many others are only just starting to realize (or remember) this. The handful of Madrid fans on this forum do not represent the match going, handkerchief waving, whistling cnuts who really do think they have a god given right to dominate Spanish football.
These three teams have had somewhat of a hegemony in their respective leagues. They want a continuation of riches.
Have the Spanish teams & Juve ejected yet, or are they still associated with SL?
What are their rationalizations?
I think they wanted guarenteed money with no chance of failure. Pathetic really but they wanted no risk ie: no relegation.
I agree with your idea though. A revamped CL with teams coming in and out and getting in on merit and not wasting time with the group stage games (as there is less teams involved in the first place) would be applauded. That's what the fans want the CL to be now instead UEFA increasing the size of it..
They may not tell you straight away, but it's " they're losing ground to the like of PSG, due to FFP is this useless". Remember their model is based on getting the best players there is. Competing with oil money in long term is impossible with self generating revenue, and the way CL (TV) money distributed.
I think there is truth in this. We all heard about this article https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41695802.amp
So it costs a lot to try to go deep or win CL, but UEFA formula to distribute the money may leave the winner with less money than a lesser teams. In other words, those cash cow teams for UEFA ain't paid fair enough for their contribution. It's tough enough to compete against oil money(1). A few misstep season (missing out CL football), may be the beginning of the end for them, with them not generating enough revenue for their expense for their ambition.(2). Teams that draw huge crowds yet not playing in the most prestige competition is waste chance to make money for not only themselves, but other teams in the competition(3).
These 3 points are the key point of this ESL. The TV money will be distributed fairly based on contribution (attracting more crowd). Popular teams are ensured entry, so they can have money to upkeep their teams (in reality among these teams there are some teams, that don't want to spend all the money on their teams); and their popularity would help boosting the profile of the competition, thus earning more money for them, and other teams in the competition.
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You're basically a Trump voter. Not watched a game in 4 years but wants to feck up the entirety of European football because, well, because. Fecking hell and Perez wanted to make the likes of that the focus of the new league
Definitely talking about city, he's talking about how the club is saying ESL would kill the domestic leagues, City have used that to back out of the deal. United wouldn't be saying that, we're one of the driving forces of the ESL plan.
Just read some stuff Perez said and together with the stuff he said earlier (and I'm convinced one of the reasons the whole SL story fell apart is the crap he was spouting around) all I can say is: the crap he spouts from his gob is astonishing.
Teams which should have been in the league earned it on the pitch and he continues with - they have the most followers on social networks. So a team like Ajax shouldn't be there but Arsenal and Spurs should base on social networks. Proves all which is wrong in modern football. Same goes for the likes of Milan for example who just lost to Sassuolo.
And the biggest clubs being under the red shouldn't be allowed. Well mr. Perez you didnt think about that while throwing money around on shiny new players and giving them huge salaries all the while being in big debt.
He wants to continue to spend like a mad man all the while someone else pays for it. That goes for all other clubs including ours. We have spend incredible amount in the last 7, 8 years and gave huge salaries to average players.
Fergie must be livid we went to bed to that mob and I'm livid too we were the driving force in the whole story. Ed has done so much shit left right and centre and it's good he's leaving but nothing will change until Glazers go out of our club..
On the other hand Uefa isn't a good guy in all of this, on the contrary. They created this monsters by trying to implement famous FFP which was a dead letter on a paper in the end.
PL too by allowing states, billionaires and whoever wants to club to come to the league, take control of the clubs without any control or restriction.
I dont like new CL format either, it was created to suit the big clubs but they want some more power. I'm old school, CL should have stayed in a 16 champions format, hell its called Champions league after all. If not current format wasnt that bad they needed to scrap it once again.
And Ceferin who was all about how big snakes Ed and Agnelli are was more than happy to say how City is important to them and welcomed them back.
What to say about Fifa.. Infantino and his remarks about how Quatar arranged their human rights stuff and that 2022 will be the best WC ever. The cheek on that guy, my God.
Teams which should have been in the league earned it on the pitch and he continues with - they have the most followers on social networks. So a team like Ajax shouldn't be there but Arsenal and Spurs should base on social networks. Proves all which is wrong in modern football. Same goes for the likes of Milan for example who just lost to Sassuolo.
And the biggest clubs being under the red shouldn't be allowed. Well mr. Perez you didnt think about that while throwing money around on shiny new players and giving them huge salaries all the while being in big debt.
He wants to continue to spend like a mad man all the while someone else pays for it. That goes for all other clubs including ours. We have spend incredible amount in the last 7, 8 years and gave huge salaries to average players.
Fergie must be livid we went to bed to that mob and I'm livid too we were the driving force in the whole story. Ed has done so much shit left right and centre and it's good he's leaving but nothing will change until Glazers go out of our club..
On the other hand Uefa isn't a good guy in all of this, on the contrary. They created this monsters by trying to implement famous FFP which was a dead letter on a paper in the end.
PL too by allowing states, billionaires and whoever wants to club to come to the league, take control of the clubs without any control or restriction.
I dont like new CL format either, it was created to suit the big clubs but they want some more power. I'm old school, CL should have stayed in a 16 champions format, hell its called Champions league after all. If not current format wasnt that bad they needed to scrap it once again.
And Ceferin who was all about how big snakes Ed and Agnelli are was more than happy to say how City is important to them and welcomed them back.
What to say about Fifa.. Infantino and his remarks about how Quatar arranged their human rights stuff and that 2022 will be the best WC ever. The cheek on that guy, my God.
That doesn't surprise me, most Real Madrid fans I've come across are so arrogant.
The reasons why some Spanish clubs want it to happen is because they're in huge trouble financially and the standard of La Liga has dropped off.
Papers saying Woodward quit because he was against the ESL - need a rethink, maybe the Super League was a good idea after all!
@carvajal Gracias crack!
What's interesting is that he says they've been working on this for three years and it's borne out of the problems in Spanish football.
Not European football, Spanish football.
The more you read, the more it looks like this is a Spanish project and the English clubs just tacked on because they thought they could make a quick buck.
Hence why Florentino was president, hence why the league was going to be based in Spain and hence why they've still not pulled out.
Reckon we're going to see how truly fecked they are in the next few months.
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Among the many terrible aspects of The Super League one of the things that really annoyed me was that it's clear the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona are absolutely skint. La Liga has dropped well off in popularity in the last few years and both clubs are in huge trouble.
For the first time in a generation we've probably reached a point where Madrid and Barca can no longer just go and cherry pick the best players in the world.
And yet we were all in favour of joining this super league and effectively saving them. Just to make some quick money. They didn't give a shit about saving football, they just wanted to save themselves.
Totally.
Think we can forget Haaland going to either of those clubs this summer.
De nada socio!. Spain and Italy I would say, and Ceferin attacking Madrid is fuel for the story.
Besides, Barcelona is in the same boat (because Florentino is the face but surely 10 of those teams and some more are waiting to see what happens).
I don't think Madrid is that bad financially . I imagine that leaving a legacy, as Bernabéu did, is also an important motivation