Tom Van Persie
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I would love nothing more than to see those clubs go bankrupt. What is funny is that people think they can buy Mbappe and Håland, when in actual fact they're struggling to buy Eric Garcia for €5m.Hope Barca and Real are struggling and this is a big blow to them. Rotten clubs.
I wasn't being overly serious about this.You're basically a Trump voter. Not watched a game in 4 years but wants to feck up the entirety of European football because, well, because. Fecking hell and Perez wanted to make the likes of that the focus of the new league
These rotten clubs are the only ones in european football with 100 % in membership possession. Thats the original idea of clubs by the way, maybe you have forgotten. Where would the PL clubs be without their sugardaddys? It's easy to judge other clubs in terms of money, if you have someone who pays everything for you.Hope Barca and Real are struggling and this is a big blow to them. Rotten clubs.
I'm gladI wasn't being overly serious about this.
It's a lot easier to understand this, thanks for elaborating! However isn't Porto a good example of what would be lost if the superleague really had been formed? 2004 could never have happened. Granted, the way things are going now it's not likely to happen again anytime soon either, but at least it could. My own support for United started when they beat the team I hated, and I hated that team (Bayern) for pretty much the same reasons you feel locked out now, buying all of our players (Karlsruher SC) right in my formative years as a child. But all of that only happened because they were all in the same, bigger, "structure", and I'd hate for that to be lost. (And recently I've had to defend Bayern on here because of this stupid superleague and feel dirty and ashamed of myself because of it).I've always wanted some form of Super League, at least for the past 20 years. I thought it would be the only realistic way to keep big clubs from smaller Leagues competitive.
There was also at some point a discussion about an Atlantic League which seemed a very interesting alternative for clubs like ours. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_League_(football) but it was never remotely considered by authorities.
After a few years of seeing that my team couldn't hold to any half-decent player for more than two seasons and the oldest player in the squad was with us for 4 seasons I just lost interest. Porto actually have managed to remain relatively competitive with a couple of QF CL appearances but it always seems stretched so thin and a few years away from Celtic levels of irrelevance.
It's one thing to lose your best players to a dozen of European giants, losing half your squad to the likes of Wolverhampton it's just not compatible with maintaining the same level of interest as a fan. For what concerns clubs like Porto, the SuperLeague already exists and we are locked out of it as well. Newer generations of football fans support foreign clubs.
So yeah, I always hoped for an earthquake, it never came.
That quote you got from me was just an oversimplification of this. For a couple of days football became interesting to me, even if for all the wrong reasons.
The crucial difference from a Trump supporter is that this doesn't negatively impact my life. It probably wouldn't even negatively impact Porto at all.
yeah, he reluctantly was the vice president in the whole ordeal..Papers saying Woodward quit because he was against the ESL - need a rethink, maybe the Super League was a good idea after all!
He is like a crack addict, thinks everyone else is wrong and doesn't know how to fix his own problems.Perez is actually an idiot. He keeps complaining about the UCL format not working and that they all keep losing money. Since when did UEFA decide how much they spend on players and transfer fees and whatever else?
It's basically as if you buy a house outside your price range, get in financial trouble, and then blame your boss for not getting paid enough and being at fault for you choosing to spend too much in the first place. Guy is a fecking idiot.
That is not how debt works.If both clubs would sell at least the same amount of shares Bayern did (25 %) they would be debt free tomorrow.
So which 2 teams do you think they'll be rocking up at in a post FFP world instead then?Among the many terrible aspects of The Super League one of the things that really annoyed me was that it's clear the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona are absolutely skint. La Liga has dropped well off in popularity in the last few years and both clubs are in huge trouble.
For the first time in a generation we've probably reached a point where Madrid and Barca can no longer just go and cherry pick the best players in the world.
And yet we were all in favour of joining this super league and effectively saving them. Just to make some quick money. They didn't give a shit about saving football, they just wanted to save themselves.
so basically they are complaining that they aren't based in EnglandSo glad to his whole thing collapsed on its arse. Having had a quick browse at a few fan forums Juve, Barca etc. It seems these lot are extremely bitter and jealous of the PL claiming it’s already a “Super League” and we just want to keep it all to ourselves.
The whole thing stinks, throwing their toys out the pram because they can’t sign the latest shiny new toy and are no longer the top dogs that can just bully everyone else and sign whoever they want. Just like Perez and co they’re only out for themselves and feck the rest of them.
The whole thing just stinks of jealousy. They look at how well the PL is doing and the players and managers it attracts and want a slice of the pie for themselves because no one gives a shite about their own leagues and the fact their own clubs have been terribly mismanaged.so basically they are complaining that they aren't based in England
Chelsea European Super League exit due to Roman Abramovich feeling ‘livid’ at being ‘blindsided’ by backlash
Chelsea chairman Bruce Buck ultimately led the Blues' exit from the European Super League.
But it was Roman Abramovich's anger that brought the whole house of cards down.
The Chelsea owner is said to have been "blindsided" by the strength of the backlash to Sunday's announcement - and then "livid" that he had been misinformed about the likely reaction.
As the pressure grew, with fans gathering outside Stamford Bridge, Buck urged Abramovich and the club hierarchy to make moves to withdraw from the project.
And the billionaire oligarch agreed, shocked to the core by how quickly everything had fallen apart.
Abramovich and Chelsea started getting cold feet on Sunday when the stunning news about the Super League emerged and football united in its opposition to the breakaway.
According to a source, Abramovich "had no idea that there would be such a backlash".
Chelsea fan groups and former players were part of the chorus of disapproval.
And when it became clear that supporters were going to take their protest to Stamford Bridge and shut down Fulham Road, the writing was really on the wall.
Playing legend Petr Cech, now the club's technical and performance advisor, came out of the stadium to beg fans to allow the Chelsea and Brighton team coaches through ahead of the Premier League match.
But by then the Blues were already trying to disentangle themselves from a league that had been formally announced less than 48 hours earlier.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...ramovich-european-super-league-backlash-buck/
Whose heads? Who's to blame that Roman is too out of touch with reality to expect this kind of backlash?I would be surprised if some people in the front office at Chelsea are not sent packing if this is true.\
He wasn't. It was Joel Glazer who was the vice president.yeah, he reluctantly was the vice president in the whole ordeal..
Since his Visa was denied it is pretty well known that Roman is not very involved with the day to day running of the club. He is definitely out of touch.Whose heads? Who's to blame that Roman is too out of touch with reality to expect this kind of backlash?
That is how it works, if they sold 25% of shares in a stock listing, they can easily repay those loans.That is not how debt works.
Feck off! What a pile of shite “No idea of the reaction” What kind of reaction did he expect exactly? It’s like closing the barn door after the horse has bolted, the damage has already been done Roman don’t try and wheedle your way out now.I would be surprised if some people in the front office at Chelsea are not sent packing if this is true.\
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Current owners would be entitled to pocket the amount if they sold any shares?That is how it works, if they sold 25% of shares in a stock listing, they can easily repay those loans.
Agreed. Uefa should be looked at too in all of this.These rotten clubs are the only ones in european football with 100 % in membership possession. Thats the original idea of clubs by the way, maybe you have forgotten. Where would the PL clubs be without their sugardaddys? It's easy to judge other clubs in terms of money, if you have someone who pays everything for you.
If both clubs would sell at least the same amount of shares Bayern did (25 %) they would be debt free tomorrow.
Uefa takes every season over 700 million € of the CL money for themselfs. That money is generated only by the clubs on the field and Uefa takes that money for organizing a tournament. This is not rotten? But yeah, those 2 clubs are the bad guys here, because they want to break out of the mafia structures.
Where is the shitstorm against the rotten uefa? I don't see any, and thats makes everything that happend in the last few days hypocritical in my eyes.
I don’t think the Spanish ownership system allows them to sell shares and picket the money.Current owners would be entitled to pocket the amount if they sold any shares?
Every club lost money. UEFA didn't and yet they are acting all sanctimonious and above the concept of greed.Agreed. Uefa should be looked at too in all of this.
Interesting. Do you have a link to a resource where I can read more about it?I don’t think the Spanish ownership system allows them to sell shares and picket the money.
If you’re talking about listed clubs, that’s true. The Glazers can sell shares and pocket the money
Makes sense. Was Woodward among the protesters too on the training complex?Papers saying Woodward quit because he was against the ESL - need a rethink, maybe the Super League was a good idea after all!
Yeah and that would go against every employment rule in force in Europe in general, and could be challenged. I think what we need more is something like an audit structure. Show us you are fit to compete by having a balanced budget as a minimum, with debt level in check and below a certain %, or your FC license is stripped away for this year, and relegated to the last division.It would help if there was a cap on wages and fees. Wasn't part of the esl proposals a percentage cap of 55 percent agreed to be spent on players fees.
It's probably not viable because you'd need every club in Europe agreeing to it but it would be a good thing.
Like I've said before, I understand why the Spanish and Italians would want a Super League. They just can't keep up with the English leagues.I wasn't being overly serious about this.
I've always wanted some form of Super League, at least for the past 20 years. I thought it would be the only realistic way to keep big clubs from smaller Leagues competitive.
There was also at some point a discussion about an Atlantic League which seemed a very interesting alternative for clubs like ours. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_League_(football) but it was never remotely considered by authorities.
After a few years of seeing that my team couldn't hold to any half-decent player for more than two seasons and the oldest player in the squad was with us for 4 seasons I just lost interest. Porto actually have managed to remain relatively competitive with a couple of QF CL appearances but it always seems stretched so thin and a few years away from Celtic levels of irrelevance.
It's one thing to lose your best players to a dozen of European giants, losing half your squad to the likes of Wolverhampton it's just not compatible with maintaining the same level of interest as a fan. For what concerns clubs like Porto, the SuperLeague already exists and we are locked out of it as well. Newer generations of football fans support foreign clubs.
So yeah, I always hoped for an earthquake, it never came.
That quote you got from me was just an oversimplification of this. For a couple of days football became interesting to me, even if for all the wrong reasons.
The crucial difference from a Trump supporter is that this doesn't negatively impact my life. It probably wouldn't even negatively impact Porto at all.
I see but didn't the esl have as part of the structure, an agreed limit of no more than 55 percent of turnover to be spent on transfers, wages and agents fees etc.Yeah and that would go against every employment rule in force in Europe in general, and could be challenged. I think what we need more is something like an audit structure. Show us you are fit to compete by having a balanced budget as a minimum, with debt level in check and below a certain %, or your FC license is stripped away for this year, and relegated to the last division.
Or something like that. But these are corporate level restriction based on the budget as opposed to capping expenses.
I lived for 4 years in Spain and met countless Barca and Real fans. The majority seem to think that they actually help the smaller clubs survive by buying players off them. They feel it is how the ecosystem works. The smaller clubs exist so that they can produce players which Real and Barca can pick off, they get money and can continue investing in producing more players, while the top 2 can keep buying the best and staying at the top. That keeps everyone happy according to them. So it really was no surprise to me that Spain was where people seemed most in favor of this league.What are their rationalizations?
A football trickle down theory.I lived for 4 years in Spain and met countless Barca and Real fans. The majority seem to think that they actually help the smaller clubs survive by buying players off them. They feel it is how the ecosystem works. The smaller clubs exist so that they can produce players which Real and Barca can pick off, they get money and can continue investing in producing more players, while the top 2 can keep buying the best and staying at the top. That keeps everyone happy according to them. So it really was no surprise to me that Spain was where people seemed most in favor of this league.