By being in a more profitable league that splits their TV money equally.
I doubt that. It's 2021. We live in the post financial crisis world.I'm not buying that Barca is in dire trouble either. They're too big to fail, too important for Catalonia.
They'll find some dodgy way to raise money. Maybe a Madrid-esque training ground sale.
They'll be fine.
Like Madrid and Barcelona.
Odd way of spelling 'nauseating'
Funny how this question would've been answered last Sunday morning
Hopefully tomorrow UEFA will throw them out of the CL semi finals.
Totally agree, it’s a league of their own already, I guess it’s not enough money for the greedy bastards thoughWarning: Incoming rant about the Champions League.
There's one thing the "Super League big 12" have managed to do (and you've got to hand it to them), and that is to convince the majority of fans in England over the last couple of decades that "nobody wants to watch [insert two quite decent teams here]." During my time, the following teams have reached an European cup final (European cup, UEFA cup or Cup Winners Cup): IFK Gothenburg, Dundee United, Rapid Vienna, Dynamo Kiev, Sampdoria, Torino, Anderlecht, Mechelen, Steaua Bucuresti, PSV Eindhoven, Videoton (who knocked us out that year), Antwerpen, Schalke, Espanol, Cologne, Parma, Alavés, CSKA Moscow, Austria Salzburg, Bayer Leverkusen, Zenith, Dnipro, Braga, Red Star Belgrade, Monaco, Bordeaux, Werder Bremen, Real Zaragoza, Stuttgart, Celtic, Rangers, Fulham, Middlesbrough.
Teams such as these being in the final are more and more becoming the exception. For some people, this is a good sign. For me, and quite a few others, it's a feckin tragedy. It's as if the fans of these teams don't really deserve to watch their sides progress in the competition. European nights used to be a great occasion to see teams you'd only heard or read about, with that one player who was a future star. Now, I'm more or less forced to watch Bayern, Chelsea and Barcelona (who were embarrassed time and time again before they, along with teams from certain other nations, managed to moan and threaten their way into a secure CL spot). If you wonder how things were in the early years of the Champions League, England's representatives failed to qualify for the first two years (Leeds and Man Utd), while in the next two years, none of the teams made it past the group stage (Man Utd and Blackburn).
In my youth, it was fairly difficult to predict who would be the semi-finalists of next year's European Cup. Today, we can all name 6-7 teams which will pretty much cover the final four teams. It's boring, it's shite, and I'm fed up with it. I know most people on this site disagree with me and only wants to watch the big teams all the time, every week, but on the other hand I know many people who have essentially stopped watching the CL altogether, because it's a closed shop. Don't get me wrong, I love watching United in Europe, but some nation's teams have been given permission to more or less print their own money to the detriment of European football as a whole.
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I agree for what its worthWarning: Incoming rant about the Champions League.
There's one thing the "Super League big 12" have managed to do (and you've got to hand it to them), and that is to convince the majority of fans in England over the last couple of decades that "nobody wants to watch [insert two quite decent teams here]." During my time, the following teams have reached an European cup final (European cup, UEFA cup or Cup Winners Cup): IFK Gothenburg, Dundee United, Rapid Vienna, Dynamo Kiev, Sampdoria, Torino, Anderlecht, Mechelen, Steaua Bucuresti, PSV Eindhoven, Videoton (who knocked us out that year), Antwerpen, Schalke, Espanol, Cologne, Parma, Alavés, CSKA Moscow, Austria Salzburg, Bayer Leverkusen, Zenith, Dnipro, Braga, Red Star Belgrade, Monaco, Bordeaux, Werder Bremen, Real Zaragoza, Stuttgart, Celtic, Rangers, Fulham, Middlesbrough.
Teams such as these being in the final are more and more becoming the exception. For some people, this is a good sign. For me, and quite a few others, it's a feckin tragedy. It's as if the fans of these teams don't really deserve to watch their sides progress in the competition. European nights used to be a great occasion to see teams you'd only heard or read about, with that one player who was a future star. Now, I'm more or less forced to watch Bayern, Chelsea and Barcelona (who were embarrassed time and time again before they, along with teams from certain other nations, managed to moan and threaten their way into a secure CL spot). If you wonder how things were in the early years of the Champions League, England's representatives failed to qualify for the first two years (Leeds and Man Utd), while in the next two years, none of the teams made it past the group stage (Man Utd and Blackburn).
In my youth, it was fairly difficult to predict who would be the semi-finalists of next year's European Cup. Today, we can all name 6-7 teams which will pretty much cover the final four teams. It's boring, it's shite, and I'm fed up with it. I know most people on this site disagree with me and only wants to watch the big teams all the time, every week, but on the other hand I know many people who have essentially stopped watching the CL altogether, because it's a closed shop. Don't get me wrong, I love watching United in Europe, but some nation's teams have been given permission to more or less print their own money to the detriment of European football as a whole.
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How did the league become more profitable?
They will, with a better presented and packaged product.
Unless the formula involves meritocracy then it is doomed to fail and what would be the point? It would just be similar to the Champions League.
I don't there is anything they can do to touch or bother City's owners so they can't force them back contract or not.
Thing is the things they'd need to change are the things they profit from the most.
Not sure that European fans were their primary market.
Let's take deep breath and a step back. I’m still not entirely sure why people think this is so outrageous. You cannot on one hand adopt the position that the football pyramid should be a strict meritocracy and teams should have to qualify for the CL on merit, and then on the other hand complain when the qualification process takes an arguably more rigorous assessment of a team’s merit by looking at five seasons of achievement, rather than just one season! The fallout from the Super League is exposing so many as holding contradictory beliefs. You still have to earn your strong coefficient from performance in previous seasons.
Lets not pretend the current CL format is fair, the new format even less so. And the main idea behind this proposed Super League was to replace the Champions League and put the power in the clubs hands vs UEFA. Which without the closed shop bullshit wouldn't have been the worst idea if the ECA or similar had been involved.
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In that still BoJo is dominating the midfield, do you think he could play next to Fred or McTominay?
Who do you think has forced the hands of UEFA or been complicit in making the champions league more unfair? Yes those same clubs you wanted to take ‘power’ away from UEFA.
Well exactly UEFA are as corrupt and greedy as anyone, maybe more so seeing as they don't actually bring anything to the table. They've caved in at every stage and given every concession possible to avoid a Super League over the last 20 years. Just so they don't get cut out of the loop and can still rake in money from the CL.
Maybe not mid to long term but short term? Definitely. You don't conquer a foreign market over night, especially not if it's already as capitalized as the American one. NHL, NBA and MLB each have more than twice the revenue of the EPL. That's the kind of competition the ESL would've faced in the US. Of course they would've attempted that but they needed the European market as a solid basis they can trust on.
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Now Perez will say JP Morgan should pay 3 billion fine
Actually it was Asian markets I had in mind.
Now Perez will say JP Morgan should pay 3 billion fine
Not too different, is it? Why would the Asian market suddenly be all in for the ESL over night? The European clubs are targeting Asia since 15+ years already. The ESL format might be better to monetize there but billions of people don't just change their habits and preferences over night.
That's something that's been annoying me all this week. It wouldn't be promotion/relegation.I really thought ESL would be great (if only it had promotion/relegation).
ESL: City, United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs.
Champions League: Leicester, West Ham, Everton, Aston Villa
Europa League: Wolverhampton, Leeds, Crystal Palace, Southampton..
I guess the thinking is that Asian fans don’t give a shite about sides like Burnley or the prestige associated with certain competitions. They’re only interested in a very limited number of clubs and would like to see them play each other more often.
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This should put to bed the ridiculous notion that this was some 3d chess by the clubs to force UEFA to some concessions
Wow... What a bunch of dickheads
They've come a long way from not having a chest sponsor, haven't they?Wow... What a bunch of dickheads
I don't see why JP Morgan would feel the need to explain themselves. They are not a footballing institution or otherwise involved in the game. They agreed to fund a project that ultimately didn't pan out, but that must happen all the time. No money changed hands, as far I can tell.
That is my point. I was asking a rhetorical question. More people watch the PL than the Portuguese league because of Man Utd, and the other big teams. Not because of Wolves.
