Everton deducted 10 points for PSR breach (reduced to 6) | Deducted further 2 points for second breach
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Wish I shared people's confidence re. City being punished. The sense I get from various (albeit not fully substantiated) whispers is that they genuinely are 'too big' - or have too many paid-for friends in high-places - to fail, and the whole 115 charges is going to be a charade of an enquiry.
Chelsea are also in the reckoning and they too could get a points deduction this year ?
watch out. they’ll be coming for the farmers next.
Guessing it exists to be reviewed by an independent decision maker to capture any perverse decisions, etc. Needs some safeguards to protect from arbitrariness.
They are in bed with the government of the land. There’s no higher state of being than that. Bringing City down is bigger than football, hence why nothing will happen of any magnitude.
Hopefully they are playing Gibraltar
They wouldn’t dare. We have pitchforks.
10 point deduction for owning up to one charge.
City are currently fighting 115 charges. Even if they owned up to a handful, you're looking at relegation from the PL
That would mean Pep and 90% of the first team squad out the door in a nano second. We'll really see what that club means to everyone when they are in the championship or lower.
And you will see how quickly they are forgotten.
City are currently fighting 115 charges. Even if they owned up to a handful, you're looking at relegation from the PL
That would mean Pep and 90% of the first team squad out the door in a nano second. We'll really see what that club means to everyone when they are in the championship or lower.
And you will see how quickly they are forgotten.
The new Chelsea ownership came clean for what happened under a different ownership, they might get 3-7 points for reporting Abrahmovic?
The bigger question is City who beat UEFA on a technicality and a rule of law, the EPL has different rules and 115 charges right now is a damming indictment on the club.
They’ll probably get through with a large fine but they might get the book thrown at them too!
that won’t stop them. they’ll want to know why your books show you spending 85m € of your eu subsidy on “hairy corn.”
Top result for Everton that, 10 point deduction with the shite at the bottom isn't an issue to them at all. They will comfortably avoid relegation.
Better this season than being under pressure from the off next season.
Better this season than being under pressure from the off next season.
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personally, i’d say the time everton and chelsea both spent under lampard should be punishment enough.
Its typical of the Premier League to announce this right before they play us, I bet if they were playing Liverpool or City they would have delayed the announcement until next week
So we can sell it on later to an English corn club paying three times as much in order to immediately throw it away afterwards. It’s simple.
that won’t stop them. they’ll want to know why your books show you spending 85m € of your eu subsidy on “hairy corn.”
....and hiring more lawyers
I think city should be expelled from the PL for 3-5 years.
Football league can decide where to start them in the pyramid.
They can still win fa cups, league cups but they should not be allowed back in during that time frame even if they finish top of the championship.
Probably won’t happen though.
Football league can decide where to start them in the pyramid.
They can still win fa cups, league cups but they should not be allowed back in during that time frame even if they finish top of the championship.
Probably won’t happen though.
I think they'll be alright. They've been much better than the handful of teams at the bottom. If they just continue as they have been, and can avoid letting this ruin them mentally, they should be safe by spring.
Will they charge City also?
The Premier League doesn’t need Man City and the club is certainly not too big to be punished. Their owners are though. The UK government will be blocking any punishment given to City, the same as they told the FA to allow Newcastle to be bought by the Saudis. This stuff is bigger than football.
They did, in February.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-what-could-punishment-be-whats-the-timescale
Obviously 115 charges takes a feckton longer to sort through than 1 charge, especially when Everton admitted their wrongdoing and Man City are denying theirs.
City to the national league now?
FFP: elitist ring fencing BS.
Sadly this isn't what will happen, relegation isn't actually that bad for them - they've been allowed to cheat so long they can just shrug it off. Then they work the whole 'we broke the system, broke the PL top four, FFP was designed to kill the small clubs etc.' and are back in the PL within a year and back in the CL the year after. The punishment has to fit the scale and longevity of the crime, they've been taking CL and EL spots off other teams, stopping teams winning titles and cups, taking players other teams would have signed all from a corrupt foundation - if they weren't state backed, the owners would be getting turfed out.
It would be if it was several leagues down, which would not be far off considering the number of charges.
In the same week City made a record "profit". What a sham this sport has become.
So 10 x 115 = 1150 points reduction for City.
Sponsors etc would drop out, how could any company sponsor them? Unless they cheat again then ffp kills them
Sorry mate, must suck as a fan. I'll be rooting for you.
Yeah I just can’t see it. I genuinely that would be fair - titles stripped and demotion to league 2 (because in reality they’d be back in the PL in the fourth season after that and given they self sponsor so much it doesn’t make a world of difference to them).
Why? Their cheating saved them. It’s all been worth it
Their own sponsors wouldn’t drop out though would they? I’m sure Juve still have sponsors?
I agree with this. Banish the club completely from any competition for 5 years... I can dream eh . The owners should be banished though, 115 charges is just outrageous. I'm just waiting for the technicalities to come out and they get off with a big fine.
We’ve got them the weekend after. At least it’s at the City Ground though.
The alleged sin here is basically accounting irregularities and financial impropriety, which half of these sponsors companies are up to themselves anyway. Barcelona just went through a complete cluster of scandals and financial shenanigans and still got Spotify as a sponsor.
Seems like wishful thinking that this would be the thing to materially impact sponsorships.
The difference is that the City issue has far wider repercussions',
If they get stripped of titles who gets them?
Who gets the cups they won, do you consider every round in every cup competition they took part in.
Did losing to them result in a team being relegated?
Would all the seasons in question have to have the results re-calculated?
Everton have said that they will be watching developments with other clubs with interest, it's almost certain that they will want punishments in relation to their own.
I have a feeling this is a saga that could run longer then Game Of Thrones, and with just as many twists.
If they get stripped of titles who gets them?
Who gets the cups they won, do you consider every round in every cup competition they took part in.
Did losing to them result in a team being relegated?
Would all the seasons in question have to have the results re-calculated?
Everton have said that they will be watching developments with other clubs with interest, it's almost certain that they will want punishments in relation to their own.
I have a feeling this is a saga that could run longer then Game Of Thrones, and with just as many twists.
I'm not sure what people think lawyers are, they're not magicians that can make rock solid evidence go away. There are rules that lawyers have to abide to as well.
If City's case does get thrown out it's not because their lawyers blocked justice from being served, it's because the case was shit enough that an expert lawyer was able to poke holes in it.
Juventus were and are a legitimate world giant. City are?
Miring cases in messy litigation hiring the best lawyers en Masse, isn’t a thing? -_-
For anybody wondering why it's ten points,
It was related specifically to the amount of losses over the £105 million threshold. Any amount over at all is an automatic 6 points, and then every £5 million chunk of the overage amount garners one more additional point.
They didn't arbitrarily decide on 10 points from scratch, then. It was based on a standard calculation. £19.7 million / £5m = 4 points + 6 automatic points = 10 point deduction.
It was related specifically to the amount of losses over the £105 million threshold. Any amount over at all is an automatic 6 points, and then every £5 million chunk of the overage amount garners one more additional point.
They didn't arbitrarily decide on 10 points from scratch, then. It was based on a standard calculation. £19.7 million / £5m = 4 points + 6 automatic points = 10 point deduction.
