How come people are not blaming them, they were both at fault for the WBA goals.....I am so angry with both of them right now.
Evra and VDS
- Thread starter Kelvin
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Like I've just said in another thread, how can Evra be blamed for the deflection?
Agree about VDS though, that was beyond stupid.
Agree about VDS though, that was beyond stupid.
Evra at fault? are you retarded Kelvin?
I'll give you VDS.
I'll give you VDS.
Can't believe VDS did that. He has the sun in his eyes for a majority of the first half. Dealt with it. Went to the other side of the pitch in the second half, in the shade. And only went and did a Carson.
Perhaps because they've been absolute rocks for us since they both signed. VDS could have a hattrick of own goals and i'd still not blaim him.
Evra's form/confidence since the World Cup fiasco has been hit pretty badly. But he's still miles ahead of anyone else we have at LB.
Evra's form/confidence since the World Cup fiasco has been hit pretty badly. But he's still miles ahead of anyone else we have at LB.
Evra has been off form this season but you can't blame him for the deflection. VDS is an amazing keeper but blunders happen to everyone. All players make mistakes and it's part of the game. Stop being a muppet
Evra was unlucky, VDS was silly.
if you blame Evra for that deflection....jaysus
Evra was badly at fault for the second goal also. It was he who lost the ball, not once but twice, during that sequence of play. First, he tried to dribble by two players which he is not able to do. He lost it. Then he had an easy chance to clear in and passed to a WBA player who was just outside the box. The goal resulted from that. Obvious VDS was awful for it, but Evra was awful also.
First goal was unlucky,
Evra had an ordinary match. Actually, Evra is having an ordinary season. He's been astounding for us to be fair, bar this season.
no its a reality. have you seen how Evra he has been playing since the start of the season, he has been shocking and not doing his defensive duties properly, just because he isn't the usual scapegoat like O'Shea or Gibson does not mean he should escape from criticism
ha ha, so it was Evra's fault that VDS did that? That's like saying Rooney missed an easy chance and that resulting counter attack ended up with VDS gifting a goal to their centre forward, Rooney is also at fault
The 2nd goal was the fault of ONE man, fair play to VDS though, he rarely makes mistakes.
With your posts in this and the "Undefeated in the league" thread, I'm beginning to suspect you might be an idiot.
In contrast to the thread-opener, I thought that Evra had one of the best games he had in his last appearances for us.
That's not saying too much of course, as he wasn't the same since he came back from the world cup, but it was nevertheless a good performance. Caught out of position at times, but still.
Couldnt do anything for the goal, I thought the wall was suspicious again today.
Well, and VDS...fecking hell...
That's not saying too much of course, as he wasn't the same since he came back from the world cup, but it was nevertheless a good performance. Caught out of position at times, but still.
Couldnt do anything for the goal, I thought the wall was suspicious again today.
Well, and VDS...fecking hell...
That's a good summary.
That's not much you can do about a deflection.
VDS on the other hand, I wouldn't expect that from an amateur.
VDS on the other hand, I wouldn't expect that from an amateur.
So you think it can only be one person's fault for a goal? It was bad defending, horrendous defending in fact by Evra which led to the goal. I can't believe that you think that Evra not doing his job properly had no effect on the goal.ha ha, so it was Evra's fault that VDS did that? That's like saying Rooney missed an easy chance and that resulting counter attack ended up with VDS gifting a goal to their centre forward, Rooney is also at fault
The 2nd goal was the fault of ONE man, fair play to VDS though, he rarely makes mistakes.
I think you can only 'blame' keepers for mistakes if they make them regularly. VDS doesn't. We can blame the fact that he's a human being susceptible to the laws of averages; kick enough balls at a man and sooner or later he's gonna drop one. VDS isn't error-prone, but he's not error-proof either, in fact he's very consistently great at what he does; we should praise him for his qualities rather than blame him when the time comes that he eventually makes a mistake.
As for Evra i'm not sure what he's supposed to have done wrong.
As for Evra i'm not sure what he's supposed to have done wrong.
Gave the ball away originally by running needlessly into a WBA player which started the attack. Then, during that attack, the ball came to him and he had an easy chance to clear it, but kicked it about ten yards to a WBA player just outside the box. They subsequently scored a few seconds afterwards. That's what he did wrong.
It's easier to blame Gibson.
First goal, if anything, was the fault of the wall. Why the hell jump there?
Yeah, because he's actually shit (except for his shots)
The cause of todays defeated though? Not by a long shot. Van Der Sar should take the full brunt of the criticism.
Evra and VDS are generally reliable. They're not super-human who never make mistakes, but their mistakes are few. I'm not even sure Evra did make a mistake anyway.
You can't pick out two players and blame the result on a lack of concentration or a fluke - what about the rest of the game and the rest of the performances.
You can't pick out two players and blame the result on a lack of concentration or a fluke - what about the rest of the game and the rest of the performances.
Evra is seriously out of form.
He looks ok going forward but seems disinterested when defending. His positioning on numerous occasions in the second half was very worrying. The sort of stuff that Rafael is guilty of....but not from an international captain of his class.
Something is up but not sure what....
He looks ok going forward but seems disinterested when defending. His positioning on numerous occasions in the second half was very worrying. The sort of stuff that Rafael is guilty of....but not from an international captain of his class.
Something is up but not sure what....
We are conceding poor goals - sloppy goals. Some due to individual errors others due to sheer bad luck - multiple deflections.
We are not playing bad going forward -it seems we just take our foot off the gas. Now why is that?
We are not playing bad going forward -it seems we just take our foot off the gas. Now why is that?
Exhaustion, I would guess. He played 58 games for club and country last season (and 57 in 08/09), before going to the WC, and I'm sure the aftermath has not helped.
Agreed, and I've thought the same for a while now, there has been a few occasions of late where I've thought he'd looked a bit dodgy at the back.
Ok you cant blame him for a deflection but they got down our left far too easy to get the free kick.
To be honest a finger could be pointed at around five people. VDS, Evra, Gibson for being shit, Berbatov for missing an absolute sitter (3-0 = game over) or Fergie for waiting so long to change it/dodgy subs.
Evra was poor from the get go yesterday. Can't really blame for the goal though
Evra was unlucky, VDS has made about his 4th mistake in as many years. Give the bloke a break. People aren't blaming them mainly because they're not dickheads.
Evra needs to walk the talk. He's been coming out after every game saying the team needs to step up and tighten the defence, but he's not showing it yet. He looks ordinary and not like the player we know and love. Once he's back on form, it'll be a great boost to our attack and our defence.
Aye, I said the same last season when he was giving the "I have a dream" speech after every bad result but was not doing anything about it, and it has carried on to this season as well.
Yes, but he didn't watch the match and it said "Evra OG" so obviously it was all Evra's fault.
SELL HIM NOW!
Think the bullshit with France has carried over and affected his form for us so far.
Yeah, I agree. But I still think that he doesn't need to give an interview after nearly every bad result and unnecessarily get involved with the media. He's passionate about the club and it shows in the interviews and on the field but I think we can do without them.
VDS cost us 2 points on Saturday but there's been manier occasion where he gained us 2 points or even 1 point. Yeah, yeah, we're not ruthless but we're by no means out of it yet. Look on the bright side, we can only get better.
maybe it's karma after all the OGs last season
but really, I'd be more worried if we weren't creating - Carlos Queiroz is at a loose end - get him back, at least temporarily
but really, I'd be more worried if we weren't creating - Carlos Queiroz is at a loose end - get him back, at least temporarily
Because the the cafe has the unspoken rule than only the young and learning get blamed.
Any way. On a more serious note, the entire back 5 was to blame for the first goal. They didn't organise the wall properly, didn't direct it and they didn't cover the near post. It was piss poor defending all round. The second goal was just a one in a while goalie gaffe.