Was about to say, I’ve now seen various people in this thread claim that Verstappen somehow was the lucky one in Baku... I mean there’s being a little biased and delusional, and then there’s that.
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Technically Bottas didn't touch Max it was Norris. You make it sound deliberate.
Yeah, and those who will constantly moan that Hamilton is the luckiest most overrated driver ever.Was about to say, I’ve now seen various people in this thread claiming that Verstappen somehow was the lucky one in Baku... I mean there’s being a little biased and delusional, and then there’s that.
There’s also two or three blokes who constantly claim it’s never luck with Hamilton and they’re actually being serious, every single little thing that falls his way is because of his talent according to them
I don't know why you're being so obtuse, people are capable of being both fortunate and unfortunate, even at the same time. Given what happened at the start of this race, which was very unfortunate for verstappen, he is now fortunate to not be further behind in the title race.
Love this and loved his response to potentially getting a fine/penalty (since they changed the rules after Hamilton's Breonna Taylor t-shirt).
He was first so would have passed the pit lane by the time they started pitting?
Oh it is for a select few, look back over the recent pages and it’s pretty apparent who those folks are.
See above, saying a situation is fortunate, does not preclude them from also being unfortunate. I did not compare the fortunes of Hamilton and verstappen so that point is mootWas about to say, I’ve now seen various people in this thread claim that Verstappen somehow was the lucky one in Baku... I mean there’s being a little biased and delusional, and then there’s that.
There’s also two or three blokes who constantly claim it’s never luck with Hamilton and they’re actually being serious, every single little thing that falls his way is because of his talent according to them
You're the one who framed two races where Verstappen was clearly 'net unlucky' as fortunate for him, which was what I was reacting too. So I'd argue you're the one struggling to grasp the concept of being fortunate and unfortunate at the same time.
Nah. Vettel was more outspoken, had a rainbow face mask, stripes on his helmet and was hugely cheered. Plus I don’t imagine the crowd at the F1 is the same as the ultra fans who were at the football.
Well, if you read the conversation you would see that I was clearly stating that despite what happened, he is fortunate to not be in a worse situation than he is. I didn't mention net luck, or compare his fortune to Hamiltons.
Perhaps it would be better to say something like "Max was extremely unlucky today but it could have been even worse had Alonso not defended against Hamilton so brilliantly" or similar.
except it isn’t just that is it.Yeah, my point is red bull are no longer focused on winning races. A break should diffuse the air a bit and then they can start dominating again. I do think they are still favorites.
So instead of being extremely unfortunate, he was just very unfortunate?
What makes you say that? Quite sure winning races is still their main focus. Why wouldn't it?
Yes I do believe he’d do that, racist cnuts don’t need cheerleaders to be racist cnuts.
They probably would have been better off using testing time on the track for testing setups rather than using a driver to simulate an incident from the race before to be fair.
Oh no I get that Hamilton and Mercedes having a brain fart is also part of it. I'm just saying how you word these things matters. Saying Max was somehow lucky this race is just a bit weird. It's not like Hamilton's/Mercs brain fart or Max getting torpedoed is even remotely comparable when you look at the impact it had on the race. So no, Max wasn't lucky at all. But yes, it could have been even worse.
The commentators were saying that there should be no instructions on the formation lap so if that's happened that's not good news
Same. Vettel is spot on.
The team cannot talk to the drive on the formation lap. If thats happen i think Ocon may lose his GP win.
That's bad news then. Here's the autosport post logging the conversations. You can clearly see a lot of the teams dancing round the idea of pitting, with the majority trying to force the driver to make the call while hinting at the decision they would favour. Given the weird flow of the conversations I think the regulation might be that the driver cannot receive instruction, but the pit wall can. Unfortunately enough Ocon and Tsunoda's radio would seem to violate that rule (if indeed it exists).
Not seeing anything on Sky or BBC or anywhere other than autosports.
No, the only reason it matters from your perspective is because you’re a Max fan. It is not incorrect to say that things could be significantly worse for Max if those few things didn’t happen. In the same way that Hamilton was lucky because Max got taken out by something out of his control, surely Max can be seen as lucky if his opposition cocks something up (equally out of his control)? And before you state the obvious that one was not the fault of Red Bull or Max, whereas Merc and Hamilton’s faults were their own making? I know that. Anyway, it’s debating semantics. It’s without doubt Max has been unlucky today. And unlucky when his tyre burst in Baku. But also correct to say that Max had SOME control today - if he had been faster yesterday he wouldn’t have been in this position. And it’s also correct to say that he had SOME silver lining by the fact that Merc, in both cases, failed to capitalise like they should have.
Based on what? Obviously Max and Red Bull were focussed on the race. In the interview he even shut down questions about Silverstone. Horner and a bunch of lawyers filing an appeal with the FIA doesn't really change that. They're also clearly no longer favourites if they ever really were, which is debatable. The Mercs were faster during qualifying two races in a row and they're ahead on points (both in constructors and in drivers standings). Then when you look at the damage Red Bull have had, factoring in that they'll probably need an extra engine which will automatically mean a penalty for them and the impact the repairs will have financially with the cost cap. I think the financial side could even impact next season.
Aston Martin must be bringing this to the attention of the stewards surely.
Did he do it in a normal calm way or did he drop multiple f bombs?
| Postion | Driver | Number | Team | Grid | Pits | Fastest Lap | Race Time | Points |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Esteban Ocon | 31 | Alpine | 8 | 3 | 1:21.421 | 2:04:43.1992 | 25 |
| 2 | Sebastian Vettel | 5 | Aston Martin | 10 | 3 | 1:21.459 | 1.859 behind | 18 |
| 3 | Lewis Hamilton | 44 | Mercedes | 1 | 4 | 1:18.715 | 2.736 behind | 15 |
| 4 | Carlos Sainz Jnr | 55 | Ferrari | 15 | 3 | 1:21.423 | 15.018 behind | 12 |
| 5 | Fernando Alonso | 14 | Alpine | 9 | 3 | 1:20.359 | 15.651 behind | 10 |
| 6 | Pierre Gasly | 10 | AlphaTauri | 5 | 4 | fastest overall lap 1:18.334 | 1:03.614 behind | 8 |
| 7 | Yuki Tsunoda | 22 | AlphaTauri | 16 | 3 | 1:22.450 | 1:15.803 behind | 6 |
| 8 | Nicholas Latifi | 6 | Williams | 18 | 3 | 1:22.831 | 1:17.910 behind | 4 |
| 9 | George Russell | 63 | Williams | 17 | 3 | 1:22.112 | 1:19.094 behind | 2 |
| 10 | Max Verstappen | 33 | Red Bull | 3 | 5 | 1:20.945 | 1:20.244 behind | 1 |
| 11 | Kimi Raikkonen | 7 | Alfa Romeo | 13 | 4 | 1:21.518 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 12 | Daniel Ricciardo | 3 | McLaren | 11 | 3 | 1:22.802 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 13 | Mick Schumacher | 47 | Haas | 20 | 3 | 1:22.711 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 14 | Antonio Giovinazzi | 99 | Alfa Romeo | 14 | 5 | 1:22.736 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| not classified | Nikita Mazepin | 9 | Haas | 19 | 2 | not available- | did not finish completed 3 | 0 |
| not classified | Lando Norris | 4 | McLaren | 6 | 1 | not available- | did not finish completed 2 l | 0 |
| not classified | Valtteri Bottas | 77 | Mercedes | 2 | 0 | not available- | did not finish completed 0 | 0 |
| not classified | Sergio Perez | 11 | Red Bull | 4 | 0 | not available- | did not finish completed 0 | 0 |
| not classified | Charles Leclerc | 16 | Ferrari | 7 | 0 | not available- | did not finish completed 0 | 0 |
| not classified | Lance Stroll | 18 | Aston Martin | 12 | 0 | not available- | did not finish completed 0 | 0 |
