It's actually got better since Santi was banned.
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Completely agree mate. Which is why, even if Masi fudged it for TV, it was just shit TV. Can't believe he couldn't see that.
He's messed up all season. The sport is definitely poorer for the passing of Charlie Whiting. We lost a great man who understood both the spirit and letter of the laws of the sport and ended up with Masi.
RiP Charlie racing fans miss you immensely.
No, Red Bull had a significantly better car at Bahrain, Monaco, Baku, Austria and Mexico.
Everywhere else was either even or a Merc advantage. And then a significant Merc pace advantage in the last 4 races. That car became a monster on medium and hard tyres at high fuel loads.
Another really dodgy thing. Again opening a can of worms here... Why was Perez suddenly retired for no reason when he was ahead of Bottas in the last few laps under safety car?
Red Bull willingly gave up the Constructor's to Mercedes by doing that.
Red Bull willingly gave up the Constructor's to Mercedes by doing that.
I think Mercedes are just stalling to make it seem more serious or they're negotiating a favor from FIA behind the scenes.
Can't see them going through with the appeal.
Can't see them going through with the appeal.
Mercedes won the constructors by 28 points even if Red bull had been awarded 24 for equal first for both Max and Checo they still wouldn't have won the constructors.
But Checo was ahead of Bottas no? So Botta's would have got less if Checo stayed in third?
Well that is wrong. Spar, French GP, Zandvoort and Austin, RB was fastest in most practices, was on pole and won during all 4 weekends.
What tyres was sainz on at this point? I don't remember. Max could have done Lewis and sainz done Lewis too.
The point is they gave Max an opportunity they didn't give to other drivers. It's absolutely shambolic tbh.
If sainz was pressuring max in any way it could have forced an error, or just not have Max as easy a run to Hamilton.
I understand it's unlikely.
But the difference would not have been enough to make up 28 points. If Checo got 15 points for second and Valtteri had got 6 instead of 8 that would of been a turn around of 17 points not 28.
Maximum points you can get in a normal weekend is 44 points and that's from a 1-2 finish with fastest lap.
Mercedes were already 28 points ahead before the weekend, so barring Lewis crashing his car, Red Bull was never really in any position to win the WCC at all during the weekend as long as Lewis gets at least third and Bottas gets 2 points.
What about Max' 24 points for winning?
Righty o. I haven't done the maths myself but I trust you guys
Mercedes came into the weekend 28 points ahead of Red Bull.
All they needed was 16 points and the WDC was theirs. Red Bull can't do jack shit about it because it's literally impossible for them to score more than 44 points.
He got them anyway so that wont make a difference to the final standings. The only thing that would change by Checo finishing is him getting 15 points and Valtteri getting 6 points instead of 8. Other teams would have been effected but they would have no impact on the points difference between RB and Mercedes.
Yesterday we had a grid start in karting and I overtook 3 people on the start and held my position for a lap and a half despite my best lap time being 2 seconds a lap slower than them. It could have happened
Man, you can hear Hamilton's frustration.
Nope. In Spa there was no racing. In France the Merc had the better race pace as expected but Red Bull won on strategy. In Zandvoort the race pace was actually dead even. In Austin again Merc had a clear pace advantage but they had poor strategy.
People seem to really have a hard time grasping the difference between one-lap qualifying pace with no fuel and soft tyres to race pace. The Red Bull has been very strong on soft tyres with no fuel on hot laps, that's why qualifying has always been so close.
It's not worth it, the poster you're trying to debate with has been spouting the same nonsense narrative since the start of the year.
Hamilton and Bottas could have been driving the first generation A-Class and he'd still say it was faster than the Red Bull.
Unfortunately a lot of folks in the thread are here to do nothing but WUM. Don't bite and hopefully they'll get bored, meaning we'll be able to have some sensible discussion in the 2022 thread.
Yeah, I've since been told. Tires in F1 matter more than me not putting winter tires under my KIA it seems
Was Hamilton right when saying that the safety car was going too slow? Or was he just being effected by his wish for it to go as fast as possible?
CAS will not get involved in the event of purely poor officiating. However, in a ruling they have said:
This basically says: "We don't get involved with officiating because we choose not to. However, if we believe the officiating was in bad faith or shows an arbitrary application of rules then we will". This seems to apply very well here.
However, I don't think it will end up in CAS, a compromise will be struck.
Can someone explain to me in lay man’s terms what happened?
Also did Hamilton get screwed or was it right decision? Ideally would like to hear both opinions
Also did Hamilton get screwed or was it right decision? Ideally would like to hear both opinions
I dont get why people like you have this level of denial, even with your stonking bias. Why does it offend you so much to have this narrative disrupted anyway?
The lap times and speed traps dont lie, so why keep clinging to a dead narrative?
Hamilton got screwed. There really is no alternative opinion cause that's not an opinion, it's a fact.
What might be debated is who between Verstappen or Hamilton deserved the title more, how bad of a feck up was it by the race director, etc. But Hamilton got screwed.
I tend to agree. Like you, the more time to reflect on it, the more dodgy it seems.
Blatant corruption. It is akin to match fixing in football.
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Imo there is no wondering about that anymore. I had my suspicions at the time earlier in the season but dismissed as unlikely. But now Masi has shown that entertainment or a new champion has been on his mind the whole time.
-Giving half points for a farce (advantage Max)
-Allowing Max to drive Lewis off the track in Brazil (advantage Max)
-Not penalising Max with grid penalty or points deduction for brake checking (advantage Max)
-The icing on the cake, handing the championship and final race to Max despite him being 11 second behind.
It really is laughable that Masi got away with it.
Statistics don't matter when you are level on points going into the final race and the race director fixes it so you can win. That is not a deserved win, it is given.
My thoughts exactly Lance.
Alright nostradamus.
Seems pretty much all drivers have the same opinion of that shitshow from what I've read and seen so far.
No.
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Can you perhaps bundle your responses to people in single posts in stead of 6/7 posts on this page being yours..
Can you perhaps bundle your responses to people in single posts in stead of 6/7 posts on this page being yours..
Leave him, looks like all this stress and injustice has taken a bit of a toll.