What a great contest of who has the most luck and/or who has the best sacrificial lamb 
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Doesn't sit right with me that a team can crash and cheer at the same time.
nice tactical spin by Sainz
Sure was. But what a recovery for Hamilton to make the front row.
When the chips are down, Hamilton always seems able to deliver.
Their crash didn't change the result this time though, once Tsunoda crashes that's the end of the session whether Sainz makes the corner or not.
Charles literally saying his lap is shit means Gasly could have had pole if Yuki had given him a tow. It’s just that important
What do you expect? It's Ferrari.
Leclerc needs to give the credit to Mercedes.
This is a track were the tow is always going to be helpful.
The red flag was bad timing, plenty on good laps
Have to say maybe the best qualifying so far this season.
This is a track were the tow is always going to be helpful.
The red flag was bad timing, plenty on good laps
Have to say maybe the best qualifying so far this season.
Sainz saw Yuki braking smoke and likely crash, likely thought turning into the corner would be a huge crash.
Understood. But Sainz crash wasn't the cause of the session stopped.
FFS LeClerc saying Lewis helped him a little bit !!!!
Lewis will be happy with P2, Max will not be happy with P3
Max is pissed!
Hamilton says it was a "good effort" for Bottas to get in the top 10....i mean give him some credit for the tow.
Who knew Kai Havertz started a new movement for TV interviews. Anyway, I think its just hypocritical that they need to apologise for the language. People are way too sensitive about some industrial language.
#keepingitreal
True but just feels a bit strange, maybe more to do with their history than purely on today.
Some hate you have for them huh?
Don't think Lewis made one reference to the Bottas tow?
Who wouldn't be in his shoes, he was the fastest man on the track but others had more luck / help from their teammates
Not really, no. Is me saying that something doesn't sit right with me akin to hatred?
HA HA you really dont like Mercedes do you, other had the tow also.
Leclerc is only on pole because of Lewis and Bottas !
this is one track where qualifying isn’t that important anyway, top speed and traction will be king.
cant see leclerc lasting more than 10 laps in the lead, should be fun between lewis and max
cant see leclerc lasting more than 10 laps in the lead, should be fun between lewis and max
The least Lewis could do was acknowledge Bottas. Without him he would have been third at best. It really isn't hard to see that apart from Leclerc (which was pure luck) Lewis had by far the best tow. That's alright, that's just the way the track is, but bit weird not to say anything
It's still better than what he will get from Williams next year
Bottas was unlucky with that Red flag, he would have got a nice tow behind leclerc and probably dragged himself up to p6-p7.
Will be an interesting GP tomorrow, max has fresher tyres that leclerc and lewis. Though Merc is better at lookimg after its tyres. Also leclerc and lewis cars are running very little downforce so both a rapid down the straights.
Would like to know why lewis and bottas were running different rear wings in qually and maybe after the race will find out what Mercedes changed after fp3 to make the car more competitive over a single lap or was it just down to the tow alone.
Will be an interesting GP tomorrow, max has fresher tyres that leclerc and lewis. Though Merc is better at lookimg after its tyres. Also leclerc and lewis cars are running very little downforce so both a rapid down the straights.
Would like to know why lewis and bottas were running different rear wings in qually and maybe after the race will find out what Mercedes changed after fp3 to make the car more competitive over a single lap or was it just down to the tow alone.
2nd F2 sprint race has been quite entertaining so far.
Azerbaijan GP Qualifying Timesheet
| Driver | Team | Time |
|---|---|---|
| 1) Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | 1:41.218 |
| 2) Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | +0.232 |
| 3) Max Verstappen | Red Bull | +0.345 |
| 4) Pierre Gasly | AlphaTauri | +0.347 |
| 5) Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | +0.358 |
| 6) Lando Norris | McLaren | +0.529 |
| 7) Sergio Perez | Red Bull | +0.699 |
| 8) Yuki Tsunoda | AlphaTauri | +0.993 |
| 9) Fernando Alonso | Alpine | +1.109 |
| 10) Valtteri Bottas | Mercedes | +1.441 |
| Knocked out in Q2 | ||
| 11) Sebastian Vettel | Aston Martin | 1:42.224 |
| 12) Esteban Ocon | Alpine | 1:42.273 |
| 13) Daniel Ricciardo | McLaren | 1:42.558 |
| 14) Kimi Raikkonen | Alfa Romeo | 1:42.587 |
| 15) George Russell | Williams | 1:42.758 |
| Knocked out in Q1 | ||
| 16) Nicholas Latifi | Williams | 1:43.128 |
| 17) Nikita Mazepin | Haas | 1:44.158 |
| 18) Mick Schumacher | Haas | 1:44.238 |
| 19) Antonio Giovinazzi | Alfa Romeo | No time set - crashed |
| 20) Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | No time set - crashed |
Did he not get toe from his teammate as well?Who wouldn't be in his shoes, he was the fastest man on the track but others had more luck / help from their teammates
Lando Norris given 3-place grid penalty for not pitting straight away under red flags.
He drops from sixth to ninth on Sunday's grid.
Three penalty points also applied to McLaren driver's superlicence.
He drops from sixth to ninth on Sunday's grid.
Three penalty points also applied to McLaren driver's superlicence.
If you saw the video, they were cheering that Tsunoda crashed and switched to "oh shit" when they saw Sainz but don't let that stop your petty hate
And Lewis is only second because of Bottas? So what? This circuit needs a tow. Bottas is an official #2 now (as he should be). If I were Red Bull I'd do the same with Perez. Both are too far from their team-mates.
Not easy to get the tow distance right, on lewis first run he said on the radio that he was too close to bottas through sector 2. Don't know how long it takes for the turbulent air to settle around Baku (Sinagpore for example you need a 7 second gap to car in front for your aero not be affected by the turbulent air as it settles down). I think leclerc, max and lewis would have gone quicker on the final runs. Shame about the red flag. Someone needs to have a word with tsunoda. He'll get a rep like crashanardo soon. Unlike mazaspin he actually has some talent.
The gap was much bigger, so definitely not as good a tow as Leclerc or Hamilton
Toto Wolff has explained why Lewis Hamilton appeared to be the beneficiary of a tow from his teammate during qualifying, as the British driver stayed in distance for a good slipstream down the Baku City Circuit's long straights.
With the main straight being over two kilometres long, the benefits of a slipstream can be huge, and Hamilton was able to qualifying in second place having followed the Finn. By contrast, Bottas could only manage 10th, but didn't get to finish his final flying lap due to the red flag.
"So we have a rule at the beginning of the season," Wolff explained to Sky Sports F1 when asked about the apparent tow.
"Any driver can decide whether he wants to go first or second, this weekend this was Lewis' call. And he decided to go second. Nothing surprising."
With Mercedes failing to show pace for most of the weekend until qualifying, Wolff explained that the team had gone through extensive trial and error to figure out where things had been going wrong.
"We were just experimenting in FP3," he said, "and I must really say that the job that has been done back in Brackley and in Brixworth and then the engineers here really designing a program which we went through line by line by line, some experiments useful, others not. And at the end, we had so many more answers to our questions and then a car that was good.
"It's all interlinked, there is not one single thing, it's about the aero balance, deciding about the right amount of downforce, temperatures in the tyre, and then obviously the balance."
With the two Mercedes drivers opting for different wing configurations, Wolff explained that both Bottas and Hamilton had gone in different directions.
"We debated it and we have a lower downforce configuration and the higher one. Valtteri opted for the higher downforce configuration and Lewis for the lower but there's not a lot in it."
With the main straight being over two kilometres long, the benefits of a slipstream can be huge, and Hamilton was able to qualifying in second place having followed the Finn. By contrast, Bottas could only manage 10th, but didn't get to finish his final flying lap due to the red flag.
"So we have a rule at the beginning of the season," Wolff explained to Sky Sports F1 when asked about the apparent tow.
"Any driver can decide whether he wants to go first or second, this weekend this was Lewis' call. And he decided to go second. Nothing surprising."
With Mercedes failing to show pace for most of the weekend until qualifying, Wolff explained that the team had gone through extensive trial and error to figure out where things had been going wrong.
"We were just experimenting in FP3," he said, "and I must really say that the job that has been done back in Brackley and in Brixworth and then the engineers here really designing a program which we went through line by line by line, some experiments useful, others not. And at the end, we had so many more answers to our questions and then a car that was good.
"It's all interlinked, there is not one single thing, it's about the aero balance, deciding about the right amount of downforce, temperatures in the tyre, and then obviously the balance."
With the two Mercedes drivers opting for different wing configurations, Wolff explained that both Bottas and Hamilton had gone in different directions.
"We debated it and we have a lower downforce configuration and the higher one. Valtteri opted for the higher downforce configuration and Lewis for the lower but there's not a lot in it."
Surely he had a choice in how big the gap was to his teammate, could have closed up like Hamilton did on his warm up laps to maximise the tow but instead chose a larger gap to avoid more of the dirty air.
This is what makes me laugh. Mercedes literally switch which driver gets to choose the running order race to race in order to be fair to both drivers and treat them equally and the second Hamilton benefits from it, everyone just looks at the outcome, ignores why it happened and instead whines about how Mercedes are "sacrificing" Bottas or treating him like a number 2 driver.
Petty hate? Grow up. I've got but a passing interest in F1 and it still doesn't sit right with me cheering someone else crashing OR cheering your own team crashing because it secures a favourable position. Either.
Akin to cheering an injury in football?
The team makes these calls, Max complained about how they handled it immediately after the lap
Dunno how/why the team makes that call. What did he say on the radio, I could only find the audio of the post session stuff.
It's obvious there was no serious crash / injury.. Multiple had happened exactly like that with no impact
Were they all cheered?