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Let's try out this ignore feature everyone's been talking about.
I wish he would quite.
Easily.For all the stick Horner gets, Marko is a million miles more detestable if you ask me.
Exposed myself. The irony after the state of your posts. If I exposed myself you are skinny dipping in broad daylight mate.That's not even in the same ballpark In abu dhabi Max was in front in the corner and all of a sudden Lewis is 400m in front a couple moments later. In Brazil Max was already ahead and stayed ahead and by a much smaller margin. You exposed yourself with that one.
I think maybe you find the rules of F1 confusing too. Did you start watching only recently?Whew my bad. It's a bit confusing discussing this with multiple people at the same time.
Them two are a disease to this sport. Imagine their reactions if this happened to Max instead.Marko and Horner wish they would both quit !
Marko is even worse than Horner
“We broke their seven-year dominance with a young guy and a young, motivated team.
“It’s disgusting what they did after the race to protest when it was clear it would not work. This is a very bad loser for me.”
Agreed. Totto and Lewis wont be at the presentation tonight. Rightly so. Whole situation is such a farce.He's not wrong though, plus it's important they keep pushing this - if Merc roll over it's a clear sign to the FIA and Masi that they can do whatever they like, no matter the rules.
Fair enough. I respect your opinion.Think this thread is too polarized now, so the best hope is to have move on from this season to next. My thoughts
Season : What.A.Season. I think it was a much needed season with two competitive seasons after a bunch of seasons dominated by Mercedes. It rekindled my interest in the sport from a "read the headlines and find out what happened" to actively tuning in to watch the race. Thanks in no small part to Red Bull, Mercedes teams and two immensely talented and driven drivers. It literally came to the last lap of the last race of the season as a one off winner takes all, and I've never seen anything like it. It was brilliant entertainment and racing. As much as
Mercedes and Redbull : They pulled their socks and made some good decisions for the last few races but I think overall, they would look back on this season where they made a lot of mistakes. In spite of Bottas winning more points than Perez, I think Perez defended Verstappen better than Bottas did Hamilton. There were multiple points in the season where Mercedes as a team trailed Red Bull. Perhaps winning the first title was motivation enough for Red bull. That said, changing engines was a great decision and provided Hamilton a much faster car for the last few races. Personally I think Red Bull car was faster than the Mercedes before the engine change, but don't know how to compute the advantage of a slightly faster car for about 15 races and a much slower car for the final 5 races. All in all, both teams contributed to a great spectacle.
Hamilton : Never understood some of the hate received by Hamilton receives from the fans worldwide. Brilliant and a talented driver. Spoke up against Saudi Arabian atrocities and generally comes across as a nice guy. Likes Senna and that's a plus too. Yes, there is some arrogance but champions do have arrogance. Knighthood is well deserved and his total number of wins and accolades speaks for itself. Personally I feel he is not respected like Schumacher and other legends were but each to his own. He drove beautifully, with controlled aggression and passion this year and handled things impeccably well. I'm not a Lewis Hamilton fan, but take a fecking bow.
Verstappen : Worthy champion. To set the pace with a supremely talented driver like Lewis Hamilton throughout a season is no small achievement and he has driven like a driven man. Some of his aggression bordered on the line but to beat a champion like Hamilton was nerve wrackingly brilliant. His team supported him well, even Perez came up trumps in the most important moments of the season. Perez holding off Hamilton for those precious seconds was some brilliant driving. Without that, Hamilton would have been well outside the lap window and could have pitted for soft tires without giving up position in the final race. He was unlucky in a few races and I think he would have finished the season earlier if he had finished the Baku and Silverstone races but he also got lucky plenty of times and also got the biggest stroke of luck in the final lap of the season. That being said, a worthy champion.
Masi : Even before the fiasco of the last race, I think he should have done his job better. Give more power to the race stewards instead of bartering with the teams to give or take a place. Yes, he is a race director but he's making himself a target for bias complaints. F1 has race stewards to take decisions, let them take it instead of putting his nose everywhere. Also don't understand the complaints of race finishing under a safety car when in the same season we witnessed the farce of Belgian Grand Prix. I do understand the motivation of final lap winner takes all, but the gymnastics made to arrive at that scenario feels made up for entertainment and not as implementing the rulebook. That said, I loved the spectacle myself so I'm a bit unsure how to feel about this. I think in general, he needs to take a back seat a bit.
Bias in this thread : Absolutely nauseating. Perhaps some posters n this thread feel the need to defend Hamilton from the abuse he gets outside but there are some ridiculous posts in this thread. Same can be said of nutter Verstappen fans. Mercedes was never going to take the decision to CAS or FIA, Safety cars has been used since God knows when and the lead is always wiped out, there were questionable decisions for Hamilton as well as Verstappen throughout the season. Some posters only want to bring up the bad ones for Hamilton and the others only want to bring up the points when Verstappen was wronged. Let's move on guys.
Final lap : At the end of the day, questionable decisions were made and none more questionable than letting some of the unlapped cars lap themselves while retaining some. At best, the interpretation was Masi didn't want the race to end with a Safety car and he wanted to lift it to allow one last lap, and realized that he can't let cars lap themselves as they would need an additional lap, so decided go ahead with partial unlap as the best of worst decisions he had to make. At worst, he was compromising race rules for entertainment value. If I was a Hamilton fan, I would think it's more akin to a dubious hand ball penalty given in the last minute of the UCL finals. I enjoyed the race and the spectable but I can understand the bitterness of Mercedes / Hamilton fans.
Cheers to both teams, Hamilton and Verstappen for giving us the best F1 season in ages. Hope Hamilton comes back and absolutely mullers Red Bull next season. All I want for Christmas is one more season like this one
Are you 12? You're on my ignore list now.I think maybe you find the rules of F1 confusing too. Did you start watching only recently?
There were many posts quibbling about the loss of a 12 second lead Hamilton had built up. It was always been thus. I understand and empathize with the unlapping cars fiasco but many people were genuinely complaining that he lost a 12 second lead and they were complaining about F1 prioritizing new generation fans. Bit of a head scratcher that as Safety car, yellow and red flag rules are not new. Hamilton in this very season benefitted with a red flag scenario. I'm just saying that F1 is out to get Lewis Hamilton is a bit tiring. If anything, Lewis Hamilton is the 7 time champion, on the verge of breaking Schumacher's record.Fair enough. I respect your opinion.
But the controversy is not about using safety cars.
Cracking post Fishy.Think this thread is too polarized now, so the best hope is to have move on from this season to next. My thoughts
Season : What.A.Season. I think it was a much needed season with two competitive seasons after a bunch of seasons dominated by Mercedes. It rekindled my interest in the sport from a "read the headlines and find out what happened" to actively tuning in to watch the race. Thanks in no small part to Red Bull, Mercedes teams and two immensely talented and driven drivers. It literally came to the last lap of the last race of the season as a one off winner takes all, and I've never seen anything like it. It was brilliant entertainment and racing. As much as
Mercedes and Redbull : They pulled their socks and made some good decisions for the last few races but I think overall, they would look back on this season where they made a lot of mistakes. In spite of Bottas winning more points than Perez, I think Perez defended Verstappen better than Bottas did Hamilton. There were multiple points in the season where Mercedes as a team trailed Red Bull. Perhaps winning the first title was motivation enough for Red bull. That said, changing engines was a great decision and provided Hamilton a much faster car for the last few races. Personally I think Red Bull car was faster than the Mercedes before the engine change, but don't know how to compute the advantage of a slightly faster car for about 15 races and a much slower car for the final 5 races. All in all, both teams contributed to a great spectacle.
Hamilton : Never understood some of the hate received by Hamilton receives from the fans worldwide. Brilliant and a talented driver. Spoke up against Saudi Arabian atrocities and generally comes across as a nice guy. Likes Senna and that's a plus too. Yes, there is some arrogance but champions do have arrogance. Knighthood is well deserved and his total number of wins and accolades speaks for itself. Personally I feel he is not respected like Schumacher and other legends were but each to his own. He drove beautifully, with controlled aggression and passion this year and handled things impeccably well. I'm not a Lewis Hamilton fan, but take a fecking bow.
Verstappen : Worthy champion. To set the pace with a supremely talented driver like Lewis Hamilton throughout a season is no small achievement and he has driven like a driven man. Some of his aggression bordered on the line but to beat a champion like Hamilton was nerve wrackingly brilliant. His team supported him well, even Perez came up trumps in the most important moments of the season. Perez holding off Hamilton for those precious seconds was some brilliant driving. Without that, Hamilton would have been well outside the lap window and could have pitted for soft tires without giving up position in the final race. He was unlucky in a few races and I think he would have finished the season earlier if he had finished the Baku and Silverstone races but he also got lucky plenty of times and also got the biggest stroke of luck in the final lap of the season. That being said, a worthy champion.
Masi : Even before the fiasco of the last race, I think he should have done his job better. Give more power to the race stewards instead of bartering with the teams to give or take a place. Yes, he is a race director but he's making himself a target for bias complaints. F1 has race stewards to take decisions, let them take it instead of putting his nose everywhere. Also don't understand the complaints of race finishing under a safety car when in the same season we witnessed the farce of Belgian Grand Prix. I do understand the motivation of final lap winner takes all, but the gymnastics made to arrive at that scenario feels made up for entertainment and not as implementing the rulebook. That said, I loved the spectacle myself so I'm a bit unsure how to feel about this. I think in general, he needs to take a back seat a bit.
Bias in this thread : Absolutely nauseating. Perhaps some posters n this thread feel the need to defend Hamilton from the abuse he gets outside but there are some ridiculous posts in this thread. Same can be said of nutter Verstappen fans. Mercedes was never going to take the decision to CAS or FIA, Safety cars has been used since God knows when and the lead is always wiped out, there were questionable decisions for Hamilton as well as Verstappen throughout the season. Some posters only want to bring up the bad ones for Hamilton and the others only want to bring up the points when Verstappen was wronged. Let's move on guys.
Final lap : At the end of the day, questionable decisions were made and none more questionable than letting some of the unlapped cars lap themselves while retaining some. At best, the interpretation was Masi didn't want the race to end with a Safety car and he wanted to lift it to allow one last lap, and realized that he can't let cars lap themselves as they would need an additional lap, so decided go ahead with partial unlap as the best of worst decisions he had to make. At worst, he was compromising race rules for entertainment value. If I was a Hamilton fan, I would think it's more akin to a dubious hand ball penalty given in the last minute of the UCL finals. I enjoyed the race and the spectable but I can understand the bitterness of Mercedes / Hamilton fans.
Cheers to both teams, Hamilton and Verstappen for giving us the best F1 season in ages. Hope Hamilton comes back and absolutely mullers Red Bull next season. All I want for Christmas is one more season like this one
Not surprised, I am also disillusioned and I'm just an observer.Lewis Hamilton is 'disillusioned' after Abu Dhabi, says Toto Wolff
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59686315
Why don't you see him winning another one? Who's to say Merc is not going to ace these regulations as well? Would be a massive shame for F1 if he quit.Not surprised, I am also disillusioned and I'm just an observer.
Honestly I wouldn't be at all surprised if Hamilton does call it a day, because I don't know where he goes from here, I don't see him winning the title back, so perhaps it is the right time to step down..
Personally I hope he retires. At the moment I can't give a feck about F1 2022, not after this, not after wasting a sunday on spa. It would send a message that would ring in F1's head for the entire season. And honestly, he's tied Schumi. Why put your health at risk again for another year to get fecked over like that again. Doesn't seem appealing to me.Why don't you see him winning another one? Who's to say Merc is not going to ace these regulations as well? Would be a massive shame for F1 if he quit.
I really, really don't want him to. I'd rather he win the title over Max next season than quit now. This could be a great rivalry in the making, assuming both teams are still on top next year.Personally I hope he retires. At the moment I can't give a feck about F1 2022, not after this, not after wasting a sunday on spa. It would send a message that would ring in F1's head for the entire season.
Who cares when it's scripted? If i'm watching Hollywood at least I don't get a pathetic clueless weasel in the commanding role of the movie.I really, really don't want him to. I'd rather he win the title over Max next season than quit now. This could be a great rivalry in the making, assuming both teams are still on top next year.
Well if it was scripted I'd stop watching.Who cares when it's scripted?
You didn't think the previous 7 seasons and 14 championships were scripted?Who cares when it's scripted? If i'm watching Hollywood at least I don't get a pathetic clueless weasel in the commanding role of the movie.
I actually think it somehow is. Not within the season, but Lewis was champ because the FIA did not want to lose him as the face of the company, so they didnt nerf his car. Same with Schumacher and Vettel.You didn't think the previous 7 seasons and 14 championships were scripted?
How many were under this man in the new starring role?You didn't think the previous 7 seasons and 14 championships were scripted?
At least in match threads most of the anger is directed at the people doing the sportsing, but this thread really is different. So much animosity and outrage from so many participants, everybody's ready to jump at the next throat. I'll lurk the 2022 thread just for entertainment, I guess. Keep it up!Not as bad as this week. Hamilton losing like that has pissed off all his fans. I cam understand to a certain extent, but give it a rest.
I did see some rent-a-quote tabloid article with Bourdais saying Perez holding Hamilton up was unsportsmanlike.Makes me want to puke reading all these posts about Saint Lewis. Now they, the media, are saying Perez held Sir Lewis up. Well Bottas has done that job of holding up others and giving Lewis a tow for Mercedes for some years and it was ok. I am English but Verstappen won and I guarantee that if it had been the other way around, people would calling Red Bull fit to burn and sore losers. Now the poor love may not race again as he feels ‘cheated’. Grow up.
Maybe. Thought it was a weird decision at the time by the stewards. It probably didn't matter in the end, but they couldn't have known that. Although letting Lewis keep the second advantage also made sure he wouldn't be attacked for the rest of the lap. Oh well, we've come to expect such decisions from the stewards this season. It is what it is.I agree with this. Lewis didn't need to give the place back, but he should have dropped a bit further back. Although as you say, it would have had little effect. Perhaps because the stewards thought the move wasn't fair, they weren't inclined to quibble over 0.5s-1s?
Absolutely.Agreed. Totto and Lewis wont be at the presentation tonight. Rightly so. Whole situation is such a farce.
Love the irony from this guy. Either that or a lack of self awareness.Are you 12? You're on my ignore list now.
Of course it's not unsportsmanlike like. It was his job. I thought that Checo played his part in the contest as good as could have been expected. If Checo had taken Lewis of the track deliberately then that would have been unsporting but holding him up is totally in the rules of the sport.I did see some rent-a-quote tabloid article with Bourdais saying Perez holding Hamilton up was unsportsmanlike.
Firstly, obviously it isn't unsportsmanlike. It's a team game and tactical driving to help your team mate is not only fair but necessary. Ask Ocon and Alonso.
Secondly, that idiot obviously has a very short memory because cast your mind back to 2016 and what was Lewis trying to do to Rosberg, his team mate, in the final race? Hold him up. Which was also absolutely a fair and smart thing to try.
The meltdown on here is glorious.No it's homophobic and racist...
perhaps that's why you support it?
The issue isn't that F1 is out to get Lewis Hamilton. So I can understand why that would be baffling!There were many posts quibbling about the loss of a 12 second lead Hamilton had built up. It was always been thus. I understand and empathize with the unlapping cars fiasco but many people were genuinely complaining that he lost a 12 second lead and they were complaining about F1 prioritizing new generation fans. Bit of a head scratcher that as Safety car, yellow and red flag rules are not new. Hamilton in this very season benefitted with a red flag scenario. I'm just saying that F1 is out to get Lewis Hamilton is a bit tiring. If anything, Lewis Hamilton is the 7 time champion, on the verge of breaking Schumacher's record.
Sorry, it's just a bit baffling.
I could see him winning the title back, but I totally understand if he leaves. It would be a loss to F1, but they have caused so much damage to the integrity of the sport.Not surprised, I am also disillusioned and I'm just an observer.
Honestly I wouldn't be at all surprised if Hamilton does call it a day, because I don't know where he goes from here, not sure that I can see him winning the title back, so perhaps it is the right time to step down..
But Lewis didn't gain a place. He was ahead going into the corner and after going off the track was ahead coming out of the corner his lead was just bigger.That's a myth. Lewis didn't give back the same and even IF he did, its ridiculous because any other time a driver has to give position back
Fixed.Not as bad as this week. Hamilton losing like that has pissed off most F1 fans. I cam understand to a certain extent, but give it a rest.
He's done with everyone but keeps coming back with nothing.You're having a laugh mate. You want me to email you diagrams too? Keep moving the goalposts, I'm done with you