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That was a sympathy call up. As far as I remember he was well into his thirties at that stage. He was right to reject it
It was 1994 and he'd just captained Man United to a double.

If he didn't want to play for England then fair enough but the reason he never got a cap is because he said no to a call up, not because he didn't get called up.
 

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It was 1994 and he'd just captained Man United to a double.

If he didn't want to play for England then fair enough but the reason he never got a cap is because he said no to a call up, not because he didn't get called up.
It was still a sympathy call-up though. The fact that the central defenders that game were Steve Howey getting his first of four caps and Neil Ruddock getting his only cap says it all.

England had just failed to qualify for the '94 World Cup and the next tournament was two years away, by which time he'd have been almost 36-years-old, and leaving United to drop a division and play for Birmingham in the second tier.

You're correct that he rejected a call-up, but the "Steve Bruce never got an England cap" fact is quite clearly about him not getting one despite being one of the better English central defenders for a good while, and not about him rejecting a sympathy cap, in his mid-30s, when they needed numbers for a meaningless friendly.

There are probably plenty of facts in here that you can caveat with a "well, actually..."
 

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Norwegian side Hamarkameratene ended the 09-season with a +8 goal difference, but not enough points to avoid relegation.
 

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marcus rashford used the word 'dream' in an open letter, as many times as hes scored in the league this season.
 

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Andy Cole, Eric Cantona, Mark Hughes and Ole Solskjaer never scored 20 league goals in a season for United.
 

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Henning Berg became a Blackburn player and premier league champion because a doctor thought England was leading 1-0 when it was 0-0.

Wembley, 1992: Berg was on the bench when Norway was playing England, and early in the first half a Norwegian defender went down after an aerial duel holding onto his head. The player seems to be okay to continue, but the doctor routinely asks him what the score is. He replies 0-0. The Doctor orders him off the pitch as he somehow thought England had scored. Henning Berg replaces him and plays a very good game in front of Blackburn Manager Kenny Daglish. Berg then gets invited to a successful trial resulting in a contract and a premier league title first with Blackburn and then united later.
 
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Andy Cole, Eric Cantona, Mark Hughes and Ole Solskjaer never scored 20 league goals in a season for United.
In some ways it's rarer than you'd think. Nobody achieved that for United from the time Denis Law did it in 66/67 until Brian McClair did it in 87/88 and they played more league games then. Mind you, there were also zero top flight league titles in that time! Different story with the players you mentioned.

Henning Berg became a Blackburn player and premier league champion because a doctor thought England was leading 1-0 when it was 0-0.

Wembley, 1992: Berg was on the bench when Norway was playing England, and early in the first half a Norwegian defender went down after an aerial duel holding onto his head. The player seems to be okay to continue, but the doctor routinely asks him what the score is. He replies 0-0. The Doctor orders him off the pitch as he somehow thought England had scored. Henning Berg replaces him and plays a very good game in front of Blackburn Manager Kenny Daglish. Berg then gets invited to a successful trial resulting in a contract and a premier league title first with Blackburn and then united later.
Someone needed to check if the doctor was ok :lol:
 

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In his most productive season ever last year, Rashford scored 4 more league goals than Steve Bruce did in his highest scoring season for us.

And yes yes, before someone says; penalties. I know.
 

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Speaking of Ronaldo's goal record, in 21 years he has never scored against England, Italy or Brazil and he only has 1 against Germany and Argentina. He does have 11 against Luxembourg though.

Lukaku has twice as many goals against the mighty Estonia as he has against England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Brazil and Argentina combined.

As Eusebio said when Ronaldo passed him in the scoring charts: "The comparisons make me sad. It's easier now. I never played against Liechtenstein and Azerbaijan".
He did stick four past those notorious football titans North Korea though.
 

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Liverpool have only ever won the League and FA Cup double once which was in 1986.
We have won more than one trophy in a single season (not counting charity shields, super cups, club world cups) on 10 separate occasions.
Added this to this thread as it has always surprised me that we didn't do it at least once more considering how dominant we were in the 70s and 80s.
 

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Only once have the 3 newly promoted teams been relegated from the PL. Where as all 3 side have avoided the drop in 4 seasons.

97/98 - Burnley, Palace & Bolton.

Looks like this year it's finally going to happen again.
 

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Only once have the 3 newly promoted teams been relegated from the PL. Where as all 3 side have avoided the drop in 4 seasons.

97/98 - Burnley, Palace & Bolton.

Looks like this year it's finally going to happen again.
That's a crazy stat! Certainly won't be too fussed about losing Burnley and Sheffield Utd as they don't bring anything to the league, but it would be a shame to see Luton go down.
 

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If Haaland does not score in his next 50 CL games, he will still have a better CL-goal-to-game ratio than Suarez, Van Persie, Rooney, Zlatan, and Samuel Eto'o
 

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Cristiano Ronaldo has scored 411 goals since turning 30 years old, that's more than the career goals of...

PlayerGoals Count (Club and Country)
T.Henry411
D.Villa400
Neymar375
Shevchenko374
Drogba367
Van Nistelrooy366
Rooney366
Ronaldo360
Del Piero343
Platini338
Cruyff327
Van Persie324
Totti316
Di Stefano315
Van Basten301
Torres301
Maradona194

You know what's even crazier? Lukaku is on 379 career goals right now, thats more than everyone but the top two above. And Villa is in his sights, He should end his career with more goals than Henry.
Uh? Maradona has 311 goals at club level alone...

Those numbers might be wrong mate
They won the European cup that season though, the last time Madrid lost a European final.

Still weird for a team that won 2 titles in a row before and after that season.
Liverpool did the league/EC double twice, as many times as United and one more than City

In 68 seasons, the EC/CL was one by a league champion in the same season 31 times. Barcelona are the only team with multiple titles to never win it without also winning the league

Madrid, Liverpool and Milan combine for 27 titles, and 7 doubles
 

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Hugo Sanchez scored 38 goals for Real Madrid in the 1989/90 season. All 38 goals were scored with a one-touch, first time finish.
Have you seen the video of them? About 5 of them were overhead kicks, absolutely mental goalscoring.
 

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Uh? Maradona has 311 goals at club level alone...

Those numbers might be wrong mate
Yeah, they absolutely are. I've checked 3 and all of them are wrong :lol:
I should have added a note to say the goals were counted if they were scored in the top European leagues. So you lose a lot of numbers from Non European players and players who played in a lot of second-division teams/leagues (e.g. Drogba)

Maradona has 38 goals for Barca and 7 for Sevilla in La Liga. 115 in Serie A for Napoli for a total of 160 League goals. He has 34 Goals for Argentina's main squad, This gives you the total of 194.
 

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I should have added a note to say the goals were counted if they were scored in the top European leagues. So you lose a lot of numbers from Non European players and players who played in a lot of second-division teams/leagues (e.g. Drogba)

Maradona has 38 goals for Barca and 7 for Sevilla in La Liga. 115 in Serie A for Napoli for a total of 160 League goals. He has 34 Goals for Argentina's main squad, This gives you the total of 194.
Cristiano also scored more than all of them combined in the Saudi league if you want to cherry-pick your stats.
 

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I still think it's mad that Nottingham Forrest have more European cups than top division League titles.
 

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Cristiano also scored more than all of them combined in the Saudi league if you want to cherry-pick your stats.
He hasn't but I see you are trying to make a point.....

It's not cherry-picking, it is trying to make it equal. Even if you include those omitted goals, Maradona for example would have a total of 345 (311+34) which is still less than Lukaku's career/Ronaldo post 30 goal tallies.

FYI, Im more of a Messi fan than Ronaldo and not trying to say Lukaku is better than Maradona. I'm simply amazed at how good Lukaku's goal record is.
 

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He hasn't but I see you are trying to make a point.....

It's not cherry-picking, it is trying to make it equal. Even if you include those omitted goals, Maradona for example would have a total of 345 (311+34) which is still less than Lukaku's career/Ronaldo post 30 goal tallies.

FYI, Im more of a Messi fan than Ronaldo and not trying to say Lukaku is better than Maradona. I'm simply amazed at how good Lukaku's goal record is.
Lukaku has played a lot compared to past players. At club level Maradona has more goals in fewer games for example, and this despite playing in a much lower scoring era, and a big chunk of career in what might have been the lowest scoring league ever

Lukaku is a great scorer though, yeah. His big game bottle job artistry is why few people actually consider him great. If he wasn't so hilariously and obviously terrible in the most important games he'd have been better than quite a few of the guys mentioned in that post
 

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Rayo Vallecano being so much better away than home:
19. at the home table, while being number 6 at the away table atm.
 
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Edin Dzeko scored more Champions League goals in 25 matches for Roma than R9 did in all of his 40 games.

Chelsea once had a 152kg goalkeeper.

If Mikkel Arteta, Steve Bruce, and Paolo di Canio were in a 4-way Skype call with Francis Jeffers, he could tell them how it feels to play for a national team. He could also tell them how it feels to score for a national team.
 

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Edin Dzeko scored more Champions League goals in 25 matches for Roma than R9 did in all of his 40 games.

Chelsea once had a 152kg goalkeeper.

If Mikkel Arteta, Steve Bruce, and Paolo di Canio were in a 4-way Skype call with Francis Jeffers, he could tell them how it feels to play for a national team. He could also tell them how it feels to score for a national team.
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