Exactly this. The stories the BL delivers aren't about the title race (which is a bit sad) but about everything else and in that regard it delivers plenty. The "problem" is that consistent organic growth is very hard for BL clubs, once they reach a European competition they often don't have the ressources to compete well in everything and are struggling... next season someone else has the same problem etc.
Well it’s kind of point of competitive sports, the league exists to see who’s the best.
Sure. It does not change the fact that 10cum11 in a row makes a joke of the league. No major league has ever had such lack of competition at the top end of the table. Not even celtic or rangers managed it.
Has to be the Bundesliga, 10 in a row is ridiculous
Why do Bournemouth even have fans, then? Pointless club by your definition of what the point is.
The main difference is that PSG simply aren't as competently run. By all rights they should stomp their league way harder than we do.
So you mean teams like Palace, Brentford are pointless in the EPL because there is little chance they can win the league? The league is there to provide an organisation where teams can play each other to determine many different things, such as winning the league, relegation and also European qualification.
No one in Germany will say there isn't a problem with Bayern winning 10/11 league titles in a row but everyone knows there is only one concrete solution to this, which is to remove the 50+1 rule. The EPL was suffering a similar problem in the 90's with United winning 7 out of 10 leagues, the way the dominance ended was with Chelsea coming in with the Abramovich money followed by City with Abu Dhabi, if the EPL had the 50+1 rule this would never happen. The 50+1 rule though is something very few people would be willing to let go just to help create a more even playing field at the top, for them the negatives are far more than the positive of more winners.
Like there was no way Leicester could win the prem?
Well, how many CLs and ELs have Ligue 1 teams won in that timeframe? 10 in a row is damning for the other teams, yes, but Bayern have also been top tier of European football for most of that time, while PSG hasn't got more to show than one CL final participation. Besides, we recently had the final four contenders for the CL coming from these two farmer's leagues, and just last year the Europa league was won by Eintracht Farmers, pardon, Frankfurt.
None of this passionate defense changes the fact that the Bundesliga is currently more of a farmer's league than the French league.
The Bundesliga is by far the most egregious in terms of inequality of opportunity. Something needs to be done, surely? If the 50+1 rule will never be challenged, I don't see why playoffs for the highest finishing teams wouldn't solve the issue. Bayern would still be the most likely champion, but at least other teams would be in with a shot.
So the only people that matter. Why would Bundesliga watchers care if people who don't watch the league anyway complain?
Because there certainly isn't a huge amount of copium at play here
Open your eyes mate, the absolute state of German football
Don't you want people to be interested in your league? Sport and football is best when it's a shared experience. Gate keeping leagues because you don't like what people are saying about it feels like an overly defensive reaction to what is being discussed.
Was that an answer to my question or just a weak reddit comeback?Because there certainly isn't a huge amount of copium at play here
Well if you can't figure out why those who benefit the most from the onesidedness and the ones that have to live with it but can't change it would be the ones most likely to find explanations, excuses and justifications for it, I can't help you
In what way am I gatekeeping? Feel free to watch the Bundesliga, it's good fun. But whether you and a million other people start watching it won't change my matchday experience at all. I watch matches, not league tables and global viewing numbers. And I'm not a fan of the league, but of my club. I couldn't care less how many people tune in to Freiburg - Bremen on weekends.
And if you can't figure out why people who watch and enjoy a league are free to watch and enjoy it, we have nothing further to talk about. Cheerio.
Kaiserslautern won the league in 98 after being promoted, Stuttgart won in 2007. When was the last a team like Leicester won the league? You can use outliers all you want. It's also ironic that the reason Leicester won was the rest of the league was really bad, Bayern are winning 10 times in a row is also because they've been a great team for 10 years (probably one bad season with Kovac in between). I think they've not made the semi-finals of the UCL only thrice during this span and always made it to the quarter finals.
You don't watch league tables?! So there's nothing at stake in any of league matches you watch Bayern Munich play in. What an odd experience that must be.
So do you think Bayern dominating for so long is an issue for the league or not?
Again you're defining opportunity by only who wins, what about qualifying for Europe?
Qualifying for Europe is important, but it's not winning a trophy. Qualifying for Europe is usually the first important step towards building a better team, with the end goal being winning a trophy/the league.
I didn’t realise this was the Real Madrid thread. Someone should really change the thread title.
Nah, they are currently not even on top of the La Liga table. Though Villareal are obviously a fantastic team and would have deserved to win La Liga last season.
So essentially a version of the super league.
pretty much everyone acknowledges the problem. When we look at leadership of German clubs and the league, the Bayern management is usually on the forefront of trying to discuss possible changes. People aren't blind to the problem but struggle to find any type of solution. Most proposed solutions just wouldn't fix this imbalance at all. Looking at how European football developed over the last 30 years, the only credible solution is to invite investors like Al-Khelaifi, Mansour or the Saudis. At least currently thats deeply unpopular.
too bad Dortmund self choke more times than they like.
I think for them, it's a story of pick your poison. And Bayern dominance is better than dirty money.
I will only remove the "lever" from the title over my cold dead body!
Exactly. I really don't see what could be done to stop Bayern's dominance, other than their management fecking up greatly for few seasons in a row.
Its not just important but qualifying for the CL for example is huge for most clubs. And if its just about winning the league wouldn't that make the PL also just a less shitty league? Lets not act like the PL is some sort of NFL.
