Regarding the bold, no it isn't. Because being a vegetarian and eating chicken are two morally defensible positions. Homophobia isn't.
There are entire passages that are excluded/included depending on the version of the Bible you look at. The Protestant Bible has 66 books v 73 in the Roman Catholic just as an example.
According to your standard of morality. Billions would disagree, you aren't the adjudicator on this unfortunately.
Spoiler alert, you should be respectful anytime you’re in someone’s house, bar, country etc
Yes but the text didn't change from homosexuality being illegal in Ireland to gay marriage becoming part of the constitution.
Yes, but also don't ignore human rights abuses like torture etc.
Ah apologies, I misinterpreted your point.
We've now reached the point of the discussion where you're suggesting that you can't criticize things because other people disagree. I'm out.
No apologies necessary, your post was correct.
Ireland used to be extremely backwards and balls deep in catholicism BS. We have had a major shift in attitudes and I think now are a pretty modern country. Things can change and people change along with it.I never said that, again I said there are gay muslims, muslims that drink alcohol and muslims that eat pork. In fact I know a few myself.
My point was it's hard to claim to be a Muslim and also state that being gay is not a sin when the Quran mentions it as being a clear transgression, that would mean you don't believe in the Quran and henceforth would not make you a Muslim, no ?
Can you point to the blatant islamophobia?
And in this case my standard of morality is correct. Homophobia is wrong. The fact that other people think otherwise doesn't change that. Nor do we have to pretend to have any respect whatsoever for their position. Just as we wouldn't respect people defending racism, rape, child abuse or anything else we hold to be morally wrong.
That’s a rich statement, ‘morality police.’ Very timely.
Being against anti-gay policies is not Islamophobia. Its simply a normal criticism that would be happening today in any country, including Russia as well if the discourse of the topic was as far along in 2018 as it is in the present. Also, Russia would obviously not come anywhere near hosting a WC today for obvious reasons.
Of course not, there has been decades of gay rights activism all across the globe. In my opinion there is something quite sinister in some of the calls of Islamophobia to counter calls for human rights.
Absolutely.
Yes, huge problem that, Qatar obviously elected to have hot weather all year round and chose to host it in Nov/Dec out of spite for PSG not winning the CL to inconvenience everybody else.
That WC and this upcoming one has been a grim one-two punch for me as someone LGBT.
Yeah, fecking hell, I felt like I was in the twilight zone reading @RC89 going on about Russia. There were the same calls for boycott over LGBTQ rights, the massive issues with blatant racism in Russian stadiums, and of course the Ukrainian situation. Human rights orgs were every bit as critical as they are now.
Ah its a disgrace. The corruption has always been there but if there is any point beyond football to a world cup it is progress, so to 'reward' undemocratic oppressive regimes like Russia and Qatar with the WC is sickening. My personal hurt can't be comparable to yours but I am really annoyed that something I loved so much is now tainted beyond me having any interest in it other than to voice how vile the whole thing is.
Yep. Depressingly spot on.
Yes I agree, hiding behind religion as a way to invalidate criticism of one's beliefs is a problem all over the world.
That's red top sensationalism at its finest, well done.
Well done yourself. It's asking people to respect human rights violations, not Christmas trees or a floral crowns for midsummer.
That shouldn't be the way to do it, and it's not like there no precedence, we've had world cups in franco's Spain (well it was awards when he was still in power) Mexico twice which at the time was in no way democratic and the fascist Italy for gods sake and that's going by our western viewpoint so the outrage seems rather selective.
Neither do I. This is 100% on FIFA to choose to have a world event in a region of the world that is decades at least behind on human rights. They're also far from the only nation to hold those views, Russia, parts of Africa, there's plenty of places where being gay is seen as a sin, where you risk getting beaten to death for displaying gay behavior in public. So this has nothing to do with Islam, it has to do with intolerance.
And what's your actual solution now that the world cup is a month away? You're not changing anything. Sit down and get on with it. You don't have to watch it.
Homophobia isn't a tradition or custom worth respecting, nor is any law that criminalises homosexuality.
Wish I could like a post. Well stated.
But in this case their laws are reprehensible and don't deserve respect. Which is exactly why he is wrong to ask LGBT people to respect them.
Progess doesn't work thaf way. It's about what can be better moving forward, not using how shit we were in the past as a metric.
So we shouldn't only award world cups to countries that recognized same sex marriage which is less than a third of the world, don't make it too sensational .
What on earth are you on about? It's a topic absolutely well worthy of discussion, as is obvious through the range of views voiced within this thread. The fella you're addressing has engaged in the debate respectfully throughout. Or should everyone that doesn't agree with you shut up?
So I can't fundamentally disagree with something unless I have the material ability to provide an agreeable alternative?
