I just meant for that type of money…good player…but we need better imo.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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They’re a husband that was rich and is fast running out of money.
Pretty sure negotiating an 80m euro transfer is very different to a 300k youth player. Also he wasnt exactly involved in the negotiations at youth level too. He hired the staff mainly
Okay. Let me read the rest of the story and come back with more questions.
Nope just him and he’s a very good player. Weird how much he’s being underrated.
Good post. Fully agree. Some United fans are so desperate to be able to have an actual worldclass player brought in to the club, that they let all the bias's work full force.
Amen.
So if your roof is leaking and you want the red material which availability is unclear but you know monsoon season is 3 weeks away, you keep it leaking for a year just hoping for red to be available again? If the chance is there that the FDJ doesn't go through than that effects the value of the option big time. We need improvements in midfield. Limiting our options to only FDJ makes a difficult task even more difficult for no apparent reason. Thats all what people say.
Great showing of getting personal when no other arguments are there. Going to be a long summer.
I think you are right. I would imagine the last thing United want to do really, is pay Barca more than his contract is worth just because Barca owe him money. How we fudge that, assuming we have any any appetite for it, or do it in a way that doesn't have knock ons elsewhere, should be interesting. Assuming that this is a crux of the problem of course.
I'm not claiming anything. It's my opinion.
On the other hand you are SURE he is open to the move and you are SURE if the deal was dead we'd have moved on.
What makes you so SURE ?
Are you ITK ?
If by rational you mean people with no patience at all then yes
There's just no point in getting so emotive about this, and putting in artificial barriers, when we are so far from the transfer deadline.
All that creating a fake deadline does is give your opponent a chance to put you under pressure to make concessions. It is silly.
So when if they owe their players millions in unpaid wages they are still going around getting more players and offering them wages they can't pay. Makes sense.
I have no doubt in my mind. All sizzle no steak player, would be a disaster without Moutinho doing all his dirty work. Even with him he’s never stood out.
By all accounts we have 1 done, another awaiting medical, 1 “asking price” submitted and a deal in principle agreed with Barça for De Jong.
We could be left empty handed in deep CM, but:
a) De Jong is the best we could get, by some distance.
b) I don’t believe one player in one position will be any massive difference maker that elevates us from shit to ace, I’ve thought that too often the past years. Ten Hag’s coaching and the confidence in the side will matter much more.
c) the window closes in almost 8 weeks, if De Jong is dead at any point between now and then, we have plenty of time to bring in a plan B midfielder.
He recruited pretty much the whole womens team too. He’s also been used in onboarding and chaperoning new signings. It’s all experience and it’s more than good old Ed ever did.
What is De Jong's true market value? Or rather, what is his worth for us? How much of a difference would he make? Surely, in our current position, we can't pay hard ball.
Isn't he worth the agreed fee + deferred wages?
Isn't he worth the agreed fee + deferred wages?
Think you misunderstood most people then: nobody talks about a fake deadline.
Agree with you on your points.
As a team we've been here before and ended up with Fellaini
In my eyes, no. 80 Million is a lot, a player of his skills might be worth it but not for Manchester United right now as we have a number of problem areas and only a limited budget. I also think he isn't the sole answer of our midfield issues as we need a competent and mobile ballwinner as well.
But how much would we pay for Neves? Isn't FdJ worth more than Neves + 30 mil?
Nobody sensible is suggesting spending that much on Neves, either.
I’m calm because we appear to be working on several other deals and not just focusing on De Jong, and because Ten Hag won’t do plan B - Fellaini.
If this deal goes through, brilliant. If not, so what, we’ve nothing to lose for me, maybe just a little time, but our plan B is going to be such a huge downgrade on De Jong regardless because of where we are right now as a club/team.
How about this one:
Isn't 80 mil on FdJ a better deal than 80 mil on *cough* Maguire?
The two aren’t comparable because what you’re suggesting is 100m on Frenkie (~80 on fee and 20 covering the deferred wages), not 80m.
If thats how long it takes to get the managers number one target, so be it. Or are you suggesting that we just don’t negotiate and then let other teams dictate how much we pay?
Sheesh, you're making it hard.
Last try: isn't spending 100 mil on FdJ better than spending 100 hours in this uneventful thread?
Yes that's exactly what I meant
...let's go waste a whole summer dealing with Barcelona for a player who doesn't really want to join us instead.We should have a plan B, I.e an alternative in case FDJ collapses.
We almost certainly do, unless we believe the new manager is a moron, probably a few plan b’s.
The drop off in quality from De Jong though is going to be huge.
It’s definitely better than reading 100 “is it just me or Di Maria vibes?” Times an hour
More huge than paying the damned deferred wages?
You'd hope that if we didn't have one before (which I hope we wouldn't be so stupid), we should be certainly be putting one together now in case.Yes that's exactly what I meant
We should have a plan B, I.e an alternative in case FDJ collapses.
I would say a fair price would be around £60m. Paying just over that is reasonable enough in my opinion, though given Barca's financial situation we shouldn't really need to.
Bernardo Silva?
Good question. I don't know what Neves is supposed to cost, in the thread there is talk of 70 million which I consider as waaaaay to expensive. Last year there was talks about him being available for 40 million. I guess 45 would be my limit for him, so that we have around 25 to 30 to bring in a DM. Might be veteran like Gueye for example or some up and coming talent from Portugal, France, Ecuador or whatever. Frenkie surely would be a better footballer than both of the guys I'd bring in but a) I think only FDJ isn't the solution as we need someone competent in terms of defensive minded and b) it would divide the ever-present risk with all transfers of "just not working out" on to pairs of shoulders. In my eyes a DM opens up so many possibilities in terms of formations and pairings that I'd consider it actual negligence to not bring one in. Doesn't even have to be for the first team at all costs. But to have one as an option is imperative in my eyes.
If I get your sentiment right though: I agree with you, if FDJ is considered as that single-handed key to success then the club should just offer 10 million more and get it done with. But I'd follow the plan outlined above (not necessarily with Neves but someone with a comparable profile)
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He's one of the best CMs around... And we're desperate. He's worth more than 60 mil. 80 even...
Oh my goodness, what’s this new obsession around here for ‘Plan B’ - I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.Yes that's exactly what I meant
We should have a plan B, I.e an alternative in case FDJ collapses.
Nobody can seriously suggest with all our data analysts, scouts and contact networks that we don’t have a list of alternative players in case this deal doesn’t materialise.
The reason we haven’t heard about it yet is because it’s not necessary yet. The club must have encouragement that FDJ will sign, we know Barca need to sell and Frenkie is the managers top target. When the deal is impossible we will hear about the next target. For goodness sake, it’s not that hard!
Thanks for the reply. Makes sense!
ha ha, wouldn’t come near us would he?
Who would of absolute top quality, unless they are doing it for the manager/club combo? When you answer that, you realise why we won’t be pulling out of this deal.
Getting our plan B, or C will be a piece of piss, because they won’t be a top rated footballer; we’ll be battling the likes of Villa or Lyon for his signature.
Why should we? He didn’t play for us the last two years.
If we sign him and he's a huge success no one will care what we paid. It's only when players turn out to be outright shit or underwhelming that we then question the fee paid.
I can only imagine what the reaction would've been if social media was around back when we bought some of our greatest ever players from Nottingham Forest and Leeds for high fees
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